Page 5 of 7 FirstFirst 1234567 LastLast
Results 41 to 50 of 70
  1. #41
    Join Date
    Nov 2010
    Location
    South-Central Idaho
    Posts
    2,856
    I don’t t know anything about 9mm ARs. Do they have a buffer and spring like a regular AR?

    The Angstadt is a good-looking unit. Does it do anything better than the Glock PDW does or is it just another option for the niche?
    Wanna Learn about Medicinal Herbs & Edible Plants?
    HomeGrownHerbalist.net

  2. #42
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Western WA
    Posts
    4,849
    In fighting terms, I don't think a 9mm AR offers any substantial benefit over the Glock PDW. Longer barrel gives you a bit more velocity but that's negligible with 9mm. Other calibers like 357 Sig or 10mm will benefit a little more. But realistically I can't think of anything I can do better with the AR than the PDW.

    In training terms, a 9mm AR makes an excellent understudy weapon for your rifle caliber AR (assuming you set them up similarly). You can't shoot 223 at every range but you can shoot 9mm anywhere. It's a great practice weapon for other family members. AND, unlike a 22 understudy weapon, it can be put into service for home defense.

    A 9mm AR set up just like a 5.56 or 300 Blk pistol makes a lot of sense.
    Brent Yamamoto
    Suarez International Tier 1 Staff Instructor

    Ready, willing, able. Bring it.

  3. #43
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    3,100
    Quote Originally Posted by DogDoc View Post
    I don’t t know anything about 9mm ARs. Do they have a buffer and spring like a regular AR?

    The Angstadt is a good-looking unit. Does it do anything better than the Glock PDW does or is it just another option for the niche?
    The 9mm AR is blowback, it doesn't have a gas system. It uses a heavier bolt, buffer, and spring to keep the chamber closed. Recoil impulse is about the same as a 5.56.

    Does it do anything better than the Glock PDW? IMO the Glock PDW has to have an RMR to get the most from it whereas the 9mm AR is a solid performer at 100 meters with iron sights. True, it also benefits from an RMR. With the 9mm AR you have more options when it comes to sights and other accessories. It will accept anything that fits on a rail so you can use things you may already own or want to transfer from other weapons.

  4. #44
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Posts
    1,334
    It's been a while since I looked closely at 9mm ARs and I don't remember last round bolt hold open being an option back at that time. Is that relatively new?

  5. #45
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Posts
    3,100
    The Uzi pattern Colt 9mm mags have always held open on the last shot. If you modify Uzi mags by adding an AR cut they don't unless you also modify the follower. The Glock mag AR's hold open.

  6. #46
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    NWFL
    Posts
    12,568
    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    In fighting terms, I don't think a 9mm AR offers any substantial benefit over the Glock PDW. Longer barrel gives you a bit more velocity but that's negligible with 9mm. Other calibers like 357 Sig or 10mm will benefit a little more. But realistically I can't think of anything I can do better with the AR than the PDW.

    In training terms, a 9mm AR makes an excellent understudy weapon for your rifle caliber AR (assuming you set them up similarly). You can't shoot 223 at every range but you can shoot 9mm anywhere. It's a great practice weapon for other family members. AND, unlike a 22 understudy weapon, it can be put into service for home defense.

    A 9mm AR set up just like a 5.56 or 300 Blk pistol makes a lot of sense.
    For training purposes in my limited experience the 9mm AR are more reliable than the .22 conversions and .22 lookalikes . During the past ammo crisis I could almost always get 9mm ammo without too much of an inflated price. The same was not true of .22 LR. I am starting to venture into the ARs so who knows maybe I end up with one in 9mm someday.
    One who hammers his gun into a plow plows for those who do not....Unknown
    ...at the end of the day its not about anything else but YOU AND YOURS..... Gabe Suarez
    ....WANT not NEED is what America is all about. ..... Gabe Suarez
    Its not about how fast you can load, but about how well you can shoot ..... Someone being saved by a speed load is not something that has happened with any regularity. Gabe Suarez

  7. #47
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    The Once Free State
    Posts
    12,380
    I guess I'm a dinosaur, but I much prefer the 9mm AR to the Glock PDW. Both are good guns; but while the Glock is light, a 9mm AR certainly isn't heavy. Yes it is heavier but not what I would call heavy, and even that can be somewhat mitigated by the parts used to assemble it. The Glock is a GREAT hand gun, I just have issues with it as a dedicated PDW. YES Yes yes, I know it works, I know you guys love it, I even own one and haven't had a problem with it.....but it doesn't scream grab me when I want to carry a PDW--for me its a 9mm AR as a PDW and a RMRd Glock as a carry gun.

    I think the difference is the Glock PDW is a Stocked Pistol that's very large because of the Endo and AR buffer plus brace BUT a 9mm AR is a SMG; but its a SMG that can be configured as large or small as required.

    I have both Colt/Uzi and Glock mag versions on my 9mm ARs. I like both; but find myself grabbing the Glock version more often and certainly when I have a Glock as my carry gun--it just makes sense.

  8. #48
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    8,925
    Iíve touched off 5.56 and 9mm inside a house on purpose. 5.56 is something I will never forget. It rang light fixtures and anything with metal a floor away and the pressure on my head is like nothing else Iíve quite experienced.
    LIVING > FIRED > JAIL > DEAD

    DISCIPLINA EST LIBERTATEM
    KRG, HRO: Team Tactics 1/2, CRG, HRO: CQB/Team Tactics, Defensive Knife, TMCO


    T
    WOTU Since 2012


  9. #49
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Phoenix, Arizona
    Posts
    9,384
    Quote Originally Posted by WinstonSmith View Post
    I’ve touched off 5.56 and 9mm inside a house on purpose. 5.56 is something I will never forget. It rang light fixtures and anything with metal a floor away and the pressure on my head is like nothing else I’ve quite experienced.
    Even with ear pro on a string of fire will make you numb from the reverb and concussion.
    Greg "Hyena" Nichols
    Instagram: tacfit_az
    Facebook: SI Instructor Greg Nichols

    #thinkinginviolence
    #tactisexual

    Always entertaining, mildly offensive
    IANative: Indeed, when you grab Brent (or he grabs you), it feels like liquid unobtanium wrapped in rawhide... whereas Greg is just solid muscle wrapped in hate, seasoned w/ snuff and a little lead.

  10. #50
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Third Coast
    Posts
    3,915
    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    Even with ear pro on a string of fire will make you numb from the reverb and concussion.
    Its like having a 30rd magazine of Def-Techs in the palm of your hand, especially with a 7.5 inch barrel. Unfortunately youre in the room with them. ;)
    NEVER CONFUSE GETTING LUCKY WITH GOOD TACTICS (unless you are at the bar)

    I'm not in the business of Losing

    A stab to the taint beats most of the mystical bullshit, most of the time

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •