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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by barnetmill View Post
    Yes I have seen the training videos and other material that speaks of one eye on RDS and the other through the NV. Question are all RDS compatible with night vision monoculars.
    Yes-ish. If using them in-line with the aid then you really need either the dual-illum (ACOG/RMR), or an RDS that has adjustable brightness other wise it can be over-powering to the aid. If using it as I referenced then yes any will work, I still prefer an adjustable that I can turn down in the dark so it doesn't trash my night vision in my unaided eye, otherwise it can leave a spot in your shooting eye that your natural night vision will need to recover from.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    the aiming thing is really a non issue with bifurcated vision. You run the aid of NVG or FLIR on the non shooting eye and the RDS on the shooting side, bifurcated vision will naturally superimpose the dot on the target down range.
    I've been doing this. I find it very similar to the Bindon aiming concept on VCOGS. I "shift" from one eye to the other. I have the NV on a skull crusher and the thermal on a lanyard and hold it with my non shooting hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gssc View Post
    I've been doing this. I find it very similar to the Bindon aiming concept on VCOGS. I "shift" from one eye to the other. I have the NV on a skull crusher and the thermal on a lanyard and hold it with my non shooting hand.
    Hmmmm. Now THAT is a clever idea.
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  4. #34
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    I'll post a picture of the setup this evening. I was a little worried about posting as it sounds bonkers until you try it. Your brain does stitch together the two images and also let you flip between them.

    My context is shooting rats/mice at night on my property, so this is not under the pressure of a pray that can hurt me. I've not engaged anything at distance. I could see a pack of three coyotes at about 200 yards on the thermal in bushes but they were invisible to the NV. By the time I moved closer they were gone.
    Last edited by gssc; 11-29-2017 at 02:26 PM.

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    Gabe Suarez

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    the nightstand drawer
    suppressed glock 34 w/infrared laser & light
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    flashlight if needed
    thermal riflescope nearby if needed
    wife loves this for finding the cat outside at bedtime

  7. #37
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    Have any of you guys tried one of these?

    https://www.amazon.com/Leupold-LEU-1...thermal+viewer

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    Quote Originally Posted by OdieWon View Post
    Have any of you guys tried one of these?

    https://www.amazon.com/Leupold-LEU-1...thermal+viewer
    I have not, but was all ready to buy one last week. Then I read comparisons with the FLIR at that price range, the Scout TK. They both kinda suck for our purposes here.

    The Leopold has better specs in nearly every way but is sold as a "viewer" and seems to be designed to be held in front of your face, creating light back-splash on your face and damaging your natural night vision in both eyes. It also would require rubber bands or some other cludge to have a lanyard, without a lanyard it will live in a pocket and require more motion and noise to use.

    The FLIR Scout TK is sold as a monocular and has an eyecup so you can put it against your face, avoiding back-splash and it also has a lanyard hole. But the TK is too slow to use well tactically. By slow I mean that it freezes at somewhat random times to recalibrate.
    I have used a FLIR C2 with very similar refresh specs, and it recalibrates the more it is moved and is useless for several seconds during recalibration, and it also takes longer to boot up to a useful level of operation than is said in the advertising. No big deal for an energy audit or to find a critter the dog is barking at, but too slow for hunting something that hunts back.

    However since my understanding is that, tactically, thermal is best used to detect a person before using another technology(or a "HEY, YOU!!" if appropriate) to ID if desired, methods can be adopted to let either work. Like cupping a hand around part of the Leupold to act like an eyecup.

  9. #39
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    If you want to get a good price on good usable thermal, check out the FLIR Breach. It's lightweight, small, and for the price delivers a better image than anything comparable by all accounts. I think it's around $2k right now.

    TNVC is marketing it as the ideal tool for law enforcement applications--should make it pretty effective for the rest of us too.

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