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    Quote Originally Posted by 336Whiskey View Post
    Add to that the fact the the fire fighting officials make more money if they are fighting bigger fires, so they benefit from letting them get big.

    Lars Larson on 570 KVI has been a champion for Evergreen's 747 fire tanker plane, but the USFS won't allow its use. Go figure.

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/07/25...u-s-wildfires/
    ...... And it's probably Trump's fault too...... Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Can't it just be good forest management to allow it to burn and keep it in some semblance of control even if it risks some people's homes? It is a natural cycle in forests and on planes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    ...... And it's probably Trump's fault too...... Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Can't it just be good forest management to allow it to burn and keep it in some semblance of control even if it risks some people's homes? It is a natural cycle in forests and on planes.
    Not a forester, but in my part of the country the forestry people regularly burn our commercial pine forests. This prevents an excess build up of fuel and removes the understory which is a fuel source during a forest fire. Fact is the american indians regularly burned the forest and also the prairies. In Florida once the forestry owners sell it and housing developments go up often the adjoining forested areas are not burned and in dry years for florida brush and forest fires occur causing problems.
    Bottom line if such areas are not kept clean of fuel and understory it will burn. It is just a question of when and not if.

    In the national parks like yellowstone, years of no management resulted in terrible fires there not so many years ago. Massive forest fires are unfortunately part of nature's plan and if you leave it to nature fires will occur.
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    Prescribed Fire - Beneficial to the Land, the Wildlife and the People
    Link on article for the above
    https://www.fws.gov/mississippisandhillcrane/fire.html


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    We live in the land of forest fires. Been at least one big one burning on this side of the mountains since June. We have the Blanket Fire (plus others) near Crater Lake, the Milli fire near Sisters, the Paulina fire near Paulina Lake (which is contained, but still burning), plus numerous other small fires. Plus we had some idiot driving down Hwy 97 lighting fires to slash piles because "he was sick of looking at them" We also get a lot of smoke from the Chetco fire (on the coast). Deschutes national forest is pretty good about controlled burns and forest management: thry let let forest fires burn when they are not threatening private or historical property and allow people to harvest standing dead trees for firewood. Is it perfect? No, but they do a better job than a lot of places.

    Last week the kid started the Eagle Creek fire in the Gorge and the damn snowflakes in Portland are having a flipping fit (keep in mind, a lot of Oregon has been on fire since June). Our poor precious Gorge, we can't let it burn, why are there not more firefighters, where is the National Guard, we need to replant...blah, blah, blah, blah. While the Gorge is beautiful, these people are in their own reality, it needs to burn awhile and it will recover. If you want to see how violent snowflakes can be, read some of the posts as to what they think should happen to that kid that started it....not that I don't think he shouldn't be held 100% liable for this fire, but tying him to a tree and letting him burn it a bit extreme. Thier liberal "love the trees" policies is what got them into this mess, let them deal with the repercussions like the rest of the state has been doing for months.

    We put ourselves on a Level 1 evacuation order (Be ready) the day the idiot decided to light the slash piles. The utility trailer is packed with all of our camping gear, food, water, etc. Cat carriers are ready and the back of the truck is empty and ready for guns and ammo. I also have an extra bag of cat and dog food loaded. We could pull out in 20 minutes and have what we need for a week or so without stepping into a shelter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Can't it just be good forest management to allow it to burn and keep it in some semblance of control even if it risks some people's homes? It is a natural cycle in forests and on planes.
    Took a backpacking class last year from a guy out in Western CO. He'd worked a hotshot crew when he was younger.

    He told stories that indicated one problem is that some of the gov. folks KNOW that the land has to burn, and another side are DEAD SET against any behavior of that sort. And guess which side has the ear of the Press, and hence the politicians? Also you have land owners in more affluent areas that don't like the smell of the smoke, or find the sight of smoke offense of some other pansy ass bullshit, but want to live in Nature.

    Yeah, how you like it NOW. It's not just red it tooth and claw, it's on FIRE.

    If you can fit your argument on a bumper sticker you're PROBABLY wrong. Maybe only a little wrong, maybe a lot wrong. And if your bumper sticker can be summarized as "mean people suck", then you're a retard. Anyway.

    So what happens is you've got one crew that realizes they NEED to do the occasional burn to keep the fuel loads down, and one bunch of nuts that WON'T STAND FOR THAT LALALALA.

    Then lightening happens, or some twit with a bottle rocket or whatever and the fire starts.

    That's when the controlled burn crew uses the oppurtunity they're presented with. You'll see some *strange* back fire lines.

    Also, when you've got 10s of thousands of acres to cover and limited resources you prioritize on the places that you *can* save of the places that *need* saving. A clump of 10 homes off a paved road is easier and a bigger "win" than one cabin in the outback.

    So it's not a conspiracy, it's just the way government IS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Nichols View Post
    ...... And it's probably Trump's fault too...... Does everything have to be a conspiracy? Can't it just be good forest management to allow it to burn and keep it in some semblance of control even if it risks some people's homes? It is a natural cycle in forests and on planes.
    Hey, I am just passing on what the radio show host and the owner of Evergreen have experienced. Yes they do make more $$ the bigger the fire, and the USFS is under the direction of the Dept. of Interior, and POTUS Trump could call up the Sec. Int. and tell him to use the 747 tanker, but we know, Trump is god and infallible, and it is all McConnell and Ryan's fault. Time for Trump to start acting like a chief executive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 336Whiskey View Post
    Hey, I am just passing on what the radio show host and the owner of Evergreen have experienced. Yes they do make more $$ the bigger the fire, and the USFS is under the direction of the Dept. of Interior, and POTUS Trump could call him up and tell him to use the 747 tanker, but we know, Trump is god and infallable, and it is all McConnell and Ryan's fault. Time for Trump to start acting like a chief executive.
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    Speaking of conspiracies, this thread is kind of interesting considering its the first and only post of the one whom started it and it was posted the day he "joined".
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    Quote Originally Posted by 336Whiskey View Post
    Hey, I am just passing on what the radio show host and the owner of Evergreen have experienced. Yes they do make more $$ the bigger the fire, and the USFS is under the direction of the Dept. of Interior, and POTUS Trump could call up the Sec. Int. and tell him to use the 747 tanker, but we know, Trump is god and infallible, and it is all McConnell and Ryan's fault. Time for Trump to start acting like a chief executive.
    336Whiskey, do not freak out, but I am agreeing with you 1,000 percent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psalms23dad View Post
    Speaking of conspiracies, this thread is kind of interesting considering its the first and only post of the one whom started it and it was posted the day he "joined".
    Right?
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