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  1. #1
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    Default Secrets when the other person isn't dead and works with you.

    Ben Franklin said "two people can keep a secret only if one of them is dead."

    It's funny, but probably all of us can relate.

    Now for an application: if your place of employment is an "I get fired if I get get caught carrying" type of NPE, then make the rule to keep your carrying lifestyle CONCEALED.

    That probably means not talking about guns with your coworkers. Not. Even. Casually.

    Unless you're Gabe, one of the SI instructors, or an LEO, keep your mouth shut. It doesn't matter how much you like that other guy, how cool you think he is, or if you think he may become your next shooting buddy. Don't do it. You barely know the guy.

    This has been my personal rule for several years and was recently vindicated as a seemingly level headed, politically conservative, pro-gun guy made some poor judgment calls, landed in hot water, and then proceeded to do what people tend to do in that situation: attempt to bring other good people down with them.

    I almost broke this rule for this guy, but fortunately didn't. I get to continue on, status and lifestyle intact. He doesn't.

    You never know a person until you see them under extreme stress, so don't give them something to hold over you and ruin you before that time. You owe it to yourself, your spouse, your kids, and that nice vacation you want to take with the company bonus later in the year to keep total separation between your "martial life" and your "work life."
    LIVING > FIRED > JAIL > DEAD

    DISCIPLINA EST LIBERTATEM
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    Even if you don't always carry to work, or only carry at certain times (logistics, travel, state laws, metal detectors, whatever)... still keep it a secret.

    If you were in a true NPE (as in you'd be killed if caught), you'd tell no one. Do the same in this case.

    What do you have to gain from telling someone? They might think you're cool or share a common interest?

    What do you have to lose if you tell the guy and he later rats you out or runs his mouth like the OPSEC in a nail salon? Your job, your lifestyle, your future employment, maybe even some freedoms.

    Do the math.
    LIVING > FIRED > JAIL > DEAD

    DISCIPLINA EST LIBERTATEM
    KRG, HRO: Team Tactics 1/2, CRG, HRO: CQB/Team Tactics, Defensive Knife, TMCO


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    A quote from long ago and far away: "Only trust those who stand to lose as much as you when things go bad."

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    I've seen this play out several times and have always ended up being happier with them having less information than they think they do!

    SD
    Si vis pacem, para bellum!

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    This is *spot on*. I have a good friend that had an amazing job with a large tech company and openly talked with co workers about shooting. A few months ago at lunch (off site) he showed a 'gun enthusiast' co worker a new firearm he had purchased. He was terminated the same day because he was deemed a threat.

    Like I was saying in another thread earlier, I don't know why people feel the need to disclose to others that they are carrying. Keep. It. To. Your. Self.

    I don't hide at work that I am interested in firearms but that's as far as it goes. I will never take a co worker to the parking lot and show them a weapon. Or take them shooting. If I worked for a larger company or in a less gun friendly state I would be much more discreet.

    I've been asked if I carry at work. The answer is always the same: "nope. That would be against company policy, now wouldn't it."

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    It really depends on context. Here in AL, in a DoD workplace, talking about guns and hunting is second only to talking about football in terms of cultural pervasiveness, lots of people have carry permits, and even those who don't will generally understand those who do. Letting someone know that I'm into guns is a very, very low-risk disclosure.

    That said, since it's a Federal Felony to carry at work, it's definitely an NPE and I would never carry here.
    Armed Puritan

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    Every situation is unique. Employers of mine who knew I carried and hunted with me before being hired asked me to help the corporate attorney write a policy that would allow carry yet seem to idiots to prevent it. We eventually came up with the oversimplification: "no firearms at work unless authorized and legal under state law". I was both.

    My last employment was with Barnes Bullets. Carrying was allowed, from the top down. Freedom Group in the guise of Remington bought Barnes and put in their no concealed carry or private weapons on campus policy. Suddenly Barnes was a NPE with a whole gagle of people who carried concealed, and we all knew it. I left almost 5 years ago, so it may be different today.

    Things are different in smaller companies, companies in the gun business, etc. The advice in posts above is good for many big businesses, and of course in any potential or actual anti-gun culture.
    Lord of harvest, grant that we wholesome grain and pure may be. Hymn, Come Ye Thankful People Come

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    I manage for a large financial institution and even having one on the grounds would result in immediate termination and being escorted from the property and a criminal trespass from the property. Hell our security isn't even armed.

    I would never knowingly violate (insert company name here)'s policies and/or procedures....... of course...
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    I'm able to play the game when it needs to be played, but I'm very happy to now be in a career that allows me to be utterly forthright about my habits. This afternoon, I plan to teach a colleague how to clean her new M&P Shield. We'll probably do so in a conference room, with a window that faces the courthouse.
    Virtute et Armis

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    We live in a time filled with people whose fear of inanimate objects manifests itself as a form of social retardation. The natural consequence of this fear is to demonize and ostracize those that do not believe as they do.



    I carry a gun to work everyday, and I sometimes talk about them with coworkers; but I am also in a position where I can do that and in a state where the law is on my side.

    If I wasn't, I wouldn't do anything to get that star on my jacket.
    Masters in Warfare-OEF Class of 2002-2003, 2006-2007
    Majors: Offensive Terminal Ballistics and Overseas Bovine Scatology

    An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.
    Robert Heinlein




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