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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    I know that WarGoat has done a bunch of work with several of these enclosure units and documented his experience. Bottom line though, I believe he arrived at the same conclusion...stick with the Glock PDW.
    As a matter of fact he had SBRd a Glock to use in many of the enclosure units and ultimately requested his Glock be removed from the NFA registry, because all the "stocks" failed the real world test

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    I spent twenty minutes or so doing dry work with a Roni, but didn't get to put any live rounds through it. The single advantage of the Roni over the Glock PDW is mounting optics. It's easier to mount an optic, and you can mount any optic you want. In every other area, the Glock PDW comes out ahead. It's lighter, more reliable, more compact, much easier to clear a malfunction, and doesn't need to be an NFA item.
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    The allure of these Glock enclosure units is just lost on me. I don't understand adding size, weight and bulk to a Glock. Sure, you get other optic choices but...WHY? It's like bolting a bunch of shit to a Porsche to make it like a Corvette. If you want a Corvette, why not just buy a Corvette?

    I love submachine guns. Uzi, MPX, MP5, P90, CX4, the Skorpion...all cool. But if I want something the size of a sub gun, I'll just get a sub gun. And hey, it will actually work.

    The Glock PDW is a lot smaller than a sub gun, and it works. It's one of those rare things in the gun world that is win win win. Submachine gun performance in a miniature package for a reasonable price.

    I've said it maybe 853 times now...if you have a full size Gen 3 frame you have no reason NOT to buy the PDW adapter and brace. It's only $100!
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    They represent two manifestations of the solution to the same issue. One is engineered around the pistol, adding (bulk) on here and there to give the pistol the functionality of an arm braced pistol. The other is a simpler more elegant solution that works with the pistol instead of around it to get to the same arm braced pistol. If the PDW had not come along, then the Roni perhaps would be a solution. But the PDW did come along and ate its lunch. Creative destruction.

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    They're perfectly reliable when the gun magazine writer tests them, but somehow everyone else shares WarGoat's experience of waaaay too many failures (including the newest micro RONI).

    I already wasted time and money on one of these platforms (KPOS gen 2, 2nd gen just as big a POS as the 1st) and thankfully WarGoat's wisdom kept me from a second attempt.

    These are are poor options in comparison to the Glock PDW or any quality smg/pcc.

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    I always looked at it as a "Less is more" situation. Less bulk, easier to carry and manuver because of less bulk and added weight. Same ammo capacity, but with less bulk and weight you can carry more ammo, or conceal better. Less added complexity, is more reliability. In the words of a famous fictional Scottish chief engineer "The more complicated you make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
    Heck, had a gen 1 KPOS [that I had modded the moment I got it for an arm brace to avoid the stupid NFA BS and legal fiction of "constructive intent"] and kept looking at "okay, how much material can I remove to lighten this beast and still keep functionality and reliability"...then sold it to a friend after I figured out the SI PDW concept pretty much did everything but fold where I wanted it to for concealment AND still worked with my OWB holsters.

    FYI, they can't claim constructive intent if you chop off the stock hinge with an angle grinder [replaced it with a buffer tube adapter and ACE hinge]
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    I am surprised this is even a discussion at this point.
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    New to the boards, but not new to WT.

    Recently picked up a PDW package and seriously folks, there's ZERO reason to even give a second look to these enclosures.
    The G-PDW is so KISS. Why try to reinvent the wheel? If its not broke, don't fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    I am surprised this is even a discussion at this point.
    Not everyone has been paying attention apparently.
    Honestly, the only thing I even find attractive about the Roni's is the trigger guard cover...and I have been using a modified minimalist holster for that for years [the one I got from OST that came with a little black lanyard]
    maybe if they offered that little flip up guard as part of a weapon light mount it would be worth while [no other housing, just a flashlight with a flip up trigger guard cover]
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    I played with one of the full sized ones when they came out and some of the other ones that the gun goes into. It's all been said before. Optics on the slide and a blade brace is the better, simple solution. The clam shell concept is a neat idea but I haven't yet handled one that was quite what I hoped they would be.

    Sooner or later, a better solution will come up. We will all wonder why no one saw it sooner. The Roni is not the better mousetrap.

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