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  1. #21
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    Dealt with this at my old job. We had to qualify every 6 months with both Glock and M16. We would have to fight some to get them to practice ON THE CLOCK AND WITH COMPANY AMMO! They never wanted to practice, they never wanted to spend time on even the basics. Then they would fight you when it was actual time to qualify. AND then blame me when they shot piss poor! Had one Einstein tell me we shouldn't be practicing "just shooting" but running through the qualifying course over and over again. I told him when he could shoot a group smaller than a dinner plate (something he was well acquainted with) at 7 yards, then we would worry about the course. Even had the union president go to the boss and complain that the training staff were not doing their jobs because to many were shooting to low of scores.

    When you get folks fighting against going to the range while being paid, and shooting ammo bought by someone else, then you got a problem.

    What pissed me off most where the ones I had to train how to shoot every 6 months. We would have to go through the same basics with them and get them trained up so they could qualify (barely). They would actually forget in 6 months (I guess they never learned it in the first place)
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  2. #22
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    My area is better than average in this regard. I'd guess that 80% of the cops in my area would rank in the top 20% of shooters within LE nationwide. That said, there are still some idiots. And making the top 20% really doesn't require that much.

    Several of the most gifted shooters that I have known in life did police work, but they all went to it as Gabe said--they were fighters and shooters first, and then got the job. One of the best benefits that LE offers is that it normalizes warrior behavior. If you carry a gun and spend a lot of time training to fight, you are crazy and paranoid. But if you carry a gun and spend a lot of time training to fight and you are a cop, then you are just well-prepared. If LE itself loses this attribute; if it becomes weird to be a warrior even within LE, then the future of the profession is screwed.
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  3. #23
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    Some of the best shooters I know are current or former LE.

    Some of the worst shooters I have seen are current or former LE.

    Like so many things, people self-select. That as far more to do with any sort of skill development than job description. LE and military have a much greater probability of using those skills...but whether you're Mil, LE or civilian you first have to WANT to be good.

    Desire and discipline are necessary. Both are in short supply.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    Some of the best shooters I know are current or former LE.

    Some of the worst shooters I have seen are current or former LE.

    Like so many things, people self-select. That as far more to do with any sort of skill development than job description. LE and military have a much greater probability of using those skills...but whether you're Mil, LE or civilian you first have to WANT to be good.

    Desire and discipline are necessary. Both are in short supply.
    Very true and when those with the desire and discipline are rewarded the same as those without it, what is the result? Just what we are now seeing.
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    And I will add something to this. Its not only LE as I have trained with SF guys and SEALs that were some of the best, as well as some of the worst shots i have seen. One guy I recall asking if he really was what he said (his buddies were laughing at him while i asked). Just like not all Black belts have the ability to kill you with their hands, assume nothing about skill because someone has a badge...or the right tab on his uniform.
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  6. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    Some of the best shooters I know are current or former LE.

    Some of the worst shooters I have seen are current or former LE.

    Like so many things, people self-select. That as far more to do with any sort of skill development than job description. LE and military have a much greater probability of using those skills...but whether you're Mil, LE or civilian you first have to WANT to be good.

    Desire and discipline are necessary. Both are in short supply.
    Well said.

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