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  1. #31
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    Yes, there are deep divides in this country. Yes, man is essentially a tribal in nature. And yes, this situation has been brewing a long time, and eventually must resolve itself. We agree on all of these things.

    The problem I see with the dissolution of the nation-state, is that you become vulnerable to external threats. It was in no way perfect, but by being loosely united, you at least keep the other, external tribes from ganging up and attacking you. Now you can argue what is the greater evil, the internal strife between groups, or the external threats; the devil you know, or the one you don't.

    But in the end, when our differences become too great to endure, I guess it doesn't matter, because the situation becomes untenable and we will vote with our feet and separate into our tribal groups.

    Perhaps we can see a parallel to the situation in Afghanistan. You have these tribal groups which essentially do anything they want, they live astride political boundaries that mean absolutely nothing to them. They could care less about what "nation-state" (whatever the fuck that is) claims sovereignty over them. They have their own internal rules and laws and code of honor. Trying to unite them into a nation-state, in our image, was an exercise in futility.

    That might be where we are heading, for better or worse.

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    Afghanistan is a backward nation of illiterate people following a medieval cult religion. The USA is a modern industrialized nation, with educated people who like to live well and have fun in life. The USA is divided fairly evenly between left and right. If it was to divide, we would all be just fine. The ones seeking prosperity would go where the money was most welcomed. And wealth creates security by having the ability to pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diz View Post
    Yes, there are deep divides in this country. Yes, man is essentially a tribal in nature. And yes, this situation has been brewing a long time, and eventually must resolve itself. We agree on all of these things.

    The problem I see with the dissolution of the nation-state, is that you become vulnerable to external threats. It was in no way perfect, but by being loosely united, you at least keep the other, external tribes from ganging up and attacking you. Now you can argue what is the greater evil, the internal strife between groups, or the external threats; the devil you know, or the one you don't.

    But in the end, when our differences become too great to endure, I guess it doesn't matter, because the situation becomes untenable and we will vote with our feet and separate into our tribal groups.

    Perhaps we can see a parallel to the situation in Afghanistan. You have these tribal groups which essentially do anything they want, they live astride political boundaries that mean absolutely nothing to them. They could care less about what "nation-state" (whatever the fuck that is) claims sovereignty over them. They have their own internal rules and laws and code of honor. Trying to unite them into a nation-state, in our image, was an exercise in futility.

    That might be where we are heading, for better or worse.
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    Diz said, "Perhaps we can see a parallel to the situation in Afghanistan."

    There is no parallel between Afghanistan and the US. Afghanistan has never been anything but tribal. It has never had an effective centralized form of government.

    Ask the British about their Afghan Wars. Link: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Anglo-Afghan-Wars

    History --- don't just read it; learn it and from it.

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    The whole point of the federal government when the Constitution was written was to provide a loose structure to protect from external threats and allow most legislation and governing to actually occur on the state or local level - tribal levels, if you will. If New Yorkers want more social programs let them. If people in UT want more freedom let them have it too.

    Our problem is an increasingly powerful federal government that treats governing our nation of 50 states (as in, nation-states) as a single unit. It doesn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apamburn View Post
    The whole point of the federal government when the Constitution was written was to provide a loose structure to protect from external threats and allow most legislation and governing to actually occur on the state or local level - tribal levels, if you will. If New Yorkers want more social programs let them. If people in UT want more freedom let them have it too.

    Our problem is an increasingly powerful federal government that treats governing our nation of 50 states (as in, nation-states) as a single unit. It doesn't work.
    Exactly!

    Thank you.

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    I came across this earlier today. A straightforward comparison between the Dem platform in 08 and 12, and the communist party USA. Many similarities.

    http://www.hardhatters.com/2013/04/a...an-communists/
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

    H. L. Mencken

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    Quote Originally Posted by baker View Post
    I came across this earlier today. A straightforward comparison between the Dem platform in 08 and 12, and the communist party USA. Many similarities.

    http://www.hardhatters.com/2013/04/a...an-communists/
    Both of their Hate Crimes platforms are directly aimed suppressing the First Amendment, your free speech and freedom of religion. Both of them have the entire Bill of Rights on their "hit list".

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    And they are both totalitarian
    Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit upon his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.

    H. L. Mencken

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    LTC Heffington's open letter on the deterioration of standards that nurtured Spenser Rapone, traitor and recent graduate of West Point:

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    "...First and foremost, standards at West Point are nonexistent. They exist on paper, but nowhere else. The senior administration at West Point inexplicably refuses to enforce West Point’s publicly touted high standards on cadets, and, having picked up on this, cadets refuse to enforce standards on each other. The Superintendent refuses to enforce admissions standards or the cadet Honor Code, the Dean refuses to enforce academic standards, and the Commandant refuses to enforce standards of conduct and discipline. The end result is a sort of malaise that pervades the entire institution. Nothing matters anymore. Cadets know this, and it has given rise to a level of cadet arrogance and entitlement the likes of which West Point has never seen in its history...

    ...West Point was once special, and it can be again. Spenser Rapone never should have been admitted, much less graduate, but he was-and that mistake is directly attributable to the culture of permissiveness and apathy that now exists there."

    http://americanmilitarynews.com/2017...s-full-letter/

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    Socialism's main premise: if 3 people are in a room and 1 of them has 100 dollars and the other 2 vote to beat that guy up and split the money, that's okey dokey.

    The Left have become caricatures of themselves; with their safe spaces and speech codes. Those pussies won't survive. Their refusal to breed means they can only increase their numbers if they indoctrinate others.

    I will welcome their demise and assist in it where I can.
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