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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyOblivion View Post
    Yes, we do. Sort of.

    It's more like YOU in California have the same rights to keep and bear arms as the rest of us, you're just (as a state) fine with letting your government take that away from you.

    You still *have* the right, but you live amongst a population of idiots, cowards and criminals and they have banded together to use the force of the state to keep you from exercising it.
    If you cannot get a court law to defend a claimed "right", you have no right. If the federal courts recognized a RKBA that "shall not be infringed," CA would not be the way it is.

    There have been about a half dozen Carry Cases that have sought cert. by SCOTUS. So far, ALL have been denied. So where is this "right" you speak of, that you have but CA state gov't has taken away from us living in CA???

    So far, (over simplified), the federal circuit courts of appeal are saying as long as there's not a ban on carry (i.e., "No Issue"), restrictions are constitutional. IOW, May Issue is Constitutional, which is why several states that are currently Shall Issue argued for May Issue in Peruta en banc amicus briefs. They want to keep the door open for going back to restrictive issuance.

    Quote Originally Posted by BillyOblivion View Post
    Some politicians in Colorado managed to jam through a REALLY stupid ban on the *sales* of magazines capable of holding more than 15 rounds. Three of them got recalled. The law is still on the books, and I can go into gun stores all over the state and find 30 round AR magazines on the shelves. Some of them have been disassembled and are being sold as "repair kits" or "parts kits". Some of the stores don't even bother.
    And, IIRC, the 4th one resigned.

    The point is gunnies in the rest of the USA need to realize if HRC won, and granted citizenship to the tens of millions of illegals, many states politically on the edge, or states with huge illegal populations could flip back to anti policies. If amnesty happens, and Leftist get elected and pass anti laws, we can't say "that's not Constitutional" or "that violates our 2nd A RKBA" and have it hold up in court w/o winning some new case/s at SCOTUS. We all are still vulnerable. (Of course, there's NEVER perfect protection: precedents/cases are overturned, new bills signed into law.)

    As Ann Coulter once said, Liberals couldn't sell traditional American voters on their policies, so they got new voters.... That's what was behind the immigration reform bill of 1965, bringing in millions of people from countries with NO history of RKBA (or even inalienable rights period). America has always been the outlier on guns, so flood us with "mainstream" non-Americans who want to come here for $$$ but vote the way they do back home (if they could even vote back there): for the "free stuff" party.

    That's why we need a Wall and MASS deportation to, among many things, protect our 2nd A RKBA at the state & local levels and ultimately at the federal level (political & legal).
    Last edited by paladin4christ; 01-15-2017 at 06:14 PM.
    The right to use deadly force to defend your life is virtually useless without the Right-to-Carry a deadly weapon.

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  2. #12
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    I received this link today via a NRA email. With people like these in office the near future of civil gun rights will be well represented by many of the current law makers.
    Rep. Gaetz: Second Amendment not negotiable

    Congressman Matt Gaetz 3:54 p.m. CT Jan. 17, 2017
    Liberal activist John Cork asks in a recent column, “Who is Matt Gaetz Protecting?” The answer: Gun owners and our Constitution. Some on the left believe the Second Amendment is negotiable, flexible – even forgettable. I don’t – and Andy Marlette’s cartoons provide the evidence.
    Our founders understood that America’s strength comes from empowering citizens, not government. In the words of Thomas Jefferson, “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man" (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria).
    Jefferson’s words ring true today – especially given increasing violence in society. When Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and Michael Bloomberg called for a repeal of Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law, I proudly stood up to them. We didn’t weaken Stand Your Ground, we made it even stronger to protect those under attack.
    As a state legislator, I championed open gun carry in Florida. Forty-Five states allow open carry in some form. States that allow open carry have 23% less violent crime, fewer murders and fewer aggravated assaults. The numbers don’t lie – which is likely why Mr. Cork didn’t cite any.
    Congress can do more to restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Today, when a Florida conceal carry permit holder travels to Alabama, Georgia or any other state, they cannot carry absent duplicative permitting. I’ve joined Rep. Richard Hudson (R-NC) introducing national conceal carry reciprocity legislation. In our state, conceal carry permit holders are remarkably law-abiding citizens. In fact, they are eight times less likely to commit crimes than members of law enforcement. We hope to pass this bill soon.
    Mr. Cork writes, “There are numerous effective strategies that reduce the odds of the mentally ill obtaining firearms. The NRA and Rep. Gaetz oppose them all.” That is a lie. And I can prove it.
    No person should be able to walk out of a mental institution and return to an arsenal. In 2013, I was Criminal Justice Chairman in the Florida House of Representatives. We worked with Democrats, Republicans, the NRA and others to pass HB 1355. According to nonpartisan analysis, this law prohibits the sale or delivery of firearms to someone “adjudicated mentally defective” or who has been “committed to a mental institution.” That’s just commonsense. Perhaps Mr. Cork should take better aim of the facts before publishing fake news.
    For eight years President Obama has blamed law-abiding gun owners for the tragic events caused by a disturbed few. In Northwest Florida, we proudly “cling to our guns and bibles.” We always will. And if anyone ever wonders who I am protecting by supporting the Second Amendment, it just may be you or your family. Because, in America, you always have the right to protect yourself.
    Congressman Matt Gaetz represents the First District of Florida. He serves on the Armed Services, Budget and Judiciary Committees and lives in Fort Walton Beach.



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  3. #13
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    The people who think this is only about California have their heads jammed in the sand.

    This is about getting a FEDERAL SUPREME COURT decision that there is a right to BEAR ARMS. Right now Heller and McDonald only protect possession inside the home. Multiple federal circuits have upheld arbitrary "may issue" carry laws --- in DC, in Maryland, in New York, New Jersey --- and a federal ban on concealed carry is only a couple of elections away from being possible.

    Certiorari for Peruta and a win in the SCOTUS would put an end to not just California's "may issue (if you know the right people and donate to the right candidates)" concealed-carry law, but to similar laws in other states, and would block any federal law being enacted.

    This is something WE NEED. ALL OF US, not just Californians.

  4. #14
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    SCOTUS has discussed this case in conference for a couple of weeks now. We should find out if they'll grant it cert (meaning they'll take the case), before June 27th. If they take it, it will be heard next fall and we'll probably get a decision between New Years and the end of June 2018.

    If they do not take it, there's an open carry case out of FL ready to ask cert (Norman), and then there will be an open case out of CA (Nichols), among other carry cases.
    The right to use deadly force to defend your life is virtually useless without the Right-to-Carry a deadly weapon.

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