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  1. #61
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    The "all or nothing" outlook has no place in the mind of the educated warrior. This applies to tactics as well as tools.

    It's like point shooting vs sighted fire. They both have their time and place...and it's up to the educated gunfighter to build the skill, knowledge and experience to know when to use one or the other. Yet talking with some folks it's as though this simple concept is quantum physics.

    Pistol, rifle, shotgun, PDW, sniper rifle...the answer to the question "which one?" is "Yes". Having the perfect tool for the job is ideal, and an educated assessment of what issues you're likely to run into will dictate what you have. For those times you can't have the perfect tool for the job, whatever you have on you can be pressed into service to the limits of your capability (yours and your weapon).

    This is also why a red dot pistol makes so much sense. As your primary weapon, it's always with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brent Yamamoto View Post
    The "all or nothing" outlook has no place in the Suarez International World.
    Fixed.
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  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel Suarez View Post
    Fixed.
    Amen.

    The amatuer thinks in absolutes; the professional thinks in context.
    "Mindset without skill is simply empty defiance, and skill without mindset is mere martial posturing." -GS

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  4. #64
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    One of the great virtues of the WitSec/Stakeout shotgun is its trim form factor. Especially once you lose the vertical PG, this weapon can fit places where even an AR pistol won't be able to hide.

    As we've seen with the PDW discussion, this version of the shotgun greatly increases the likelihood that you'll actually have it with you when you need it, and that's a virtue that can trump many other benefits.
    Armed Puritan

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    Quote Originally Posted by TFA303 View Post
    One of the great virtues of the WitSec/Stakeout shotgun is its trim form factor. Especially once you lose the vertical PG, this weapon can fit places where even an AR pistol won't be able to hide.

    As we've seen with the PDW discussion, this version of the shotgun greatly increases the likelihood that you'll actually have it with you when you need it, and that's a virtue that can trump many other benefits.
    I see this platform having a few handy niches.

    Firstly I see it as a low cost, low profile, vehicle weapon. It's sleek profile adds to it's ability to maneuver in and around a vehicle. The ballistic impact of the weapon also gives a higher probability of being able to disable a hostile vehicle as well as create distance if mobbed by soft targets.

    Secondary weapon system/breecher. The PGO system's size and weight allows ease of portability with a minimum of additional weight and/or encumberment. it could easily be added to a CQB/OUT load-out to compliment a DMR for close engagement or added as a breecher in addition to a carbine with minimal transition issues.

    Primary weapon system for CQB/OUT, like a vehicle, you are dealing with limited space so the more maneuverable the weapon the more efficient you can be in your space.
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    I've been working on some H2H applications with the short shotty. This is a close an personal weapon, and if you're not able to keep it topped off it's entirely possible someone can get hands on you.

    Lots of this stuff is easy of course...just hit the bastard with it.

    But there are some interesting things you can do, and even the simple stuff can be made to work better.

    Stay tuned...
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    I had a vision of a holster attached to my 4 wheel drive shifter.

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    Excellent write up and material covered. This is certainly encouraging me to consider buying a fighting shotgun from Gabe, with some training as well of course.
    If you are a warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be on 24/7 for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself... Baa.
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    As I said before, this is going to turn into a really interesting study and most of not all of the gun world is going to be left sputtering and shaking their heads at what we will accomplish. Just as the did with RDS pistols, by the time they catch up, we'll be on to innovating something new.
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    I look forward to the results.
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