The Shotgun or the Rifle

[Jsavik]

I re-read this thread every couple months. It has helped pare down my travel kit to an RMR'd pistol, RMR'd shockwave and gen3 nightvision.
I'd really like to find a small grip activated IR laser or flood like a crimson trace light guard, but not a full size like a streanlight TLR

[Mushinto]

I am not easily convinced of new things, but I have been on this.

-- ML

[coastalcop]

Just a quick reply thread from looking at youtube vids on the Tac-13 :

bryant peppler
bryant peppler
2 months ago
I'd run a brace on it and then I think it would be perfect.

3

Impact Guns

Impact Guns
Impact Guns
2 months ago
Exactly! I believe Suarez Tactical makes a brace for this model.

1


Cool Hand Luke
Cool Hand Luke
1 month ago
Sweeeet !!

1

Impact Guns

HerbaTronX
HerbaTronX
4 months ago





The more i handle this the more I like the feel over my 870(and I love my 870)

[Papa]

A scalper is offering one at about $1200 bucks.

Damned capitalist.

[dgaspar]

A scalper is offering one at about $1200 bucks.

Damned capitalist.

Yeah, Tac 13's are hard to find and when you do, the prices are very inflated. About 3 weeks ago, I happened to stumble across a listing on Gun Broker offering TWO Tac 13's for $739 each. The seller was brand new and had no feedback. I was sure it was a scam. But I messaged them about shipping and the return email had a signature line for a real business in NC. I called them and talked to a very nice lady who assured me the listing was real and that they were brand new to Gun Broker. I immediately bought one and received it without a hitch. I kick myself for not buying both.

[coastalcop]

Just adding a couple of vids reminding us of the application of the shotgun in hostage rescue. Three perspectives the Helo, the officer, and his partner

Helo

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b7a_1519440723

Officer First then partner in this vid

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f5d_1519645023


know your tool, know your envelope, and make it happen

[tsrichards]

Just adding a couple of vids reminding us of the application of the shotgun in hostage rescue.
know your tool, know your envelope, and make it happen

Thanks for posting these, cc. I have often wondered about the hostage shot up close with a shotgun.

In the past (shotgun gun fighting dvd) it was recommended to transition to pistol then take the shot. Is that still recommended, or does it change based on the distance of the shot?

[Greg Nichols]

Thanks for posting these, cc. I have often wondered about the hostage shot up close with a shotgun.

In the past (shotgun gun fighting dvd) it was recommended to transition to pistol then take the shot. Is that still recommended, or does it change based on the distance of the shot?

There are a number of factors:

How well do you know your shotgun's pattern and zero at different distances?
Can you effectively transition to a slug and have it's zero?
Can you close the distance quickly to mitigate stray pellets?
Is it faster/safer to stay on the sights of one platform than it is to transition to a new sighting system?
Are you more confident with one platform over the other, or with one of the above choices over the others?

[coastalcop]

Oh and you see when the helo operator realizes that his THERMAL cam is getting too close.

[tsrichards]

There are a number of factors:

How well do you know your shotgun's pattern and zero at different distances?
Can you effectively transition to a slug and have it's zero?
Can you close the distance quickly to mitigate stray pellets?
Is it faster/safer to stay on the sights of one platform than it is to transition to a new sighting system?
Are you more confident with one platform over the other, or with one of the above choices over the others?

Thanks, Greg. That mirrors a lot of the considerations I had when thinking about it. Great stuff as always.


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