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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberty or Death
    Just got through practicing with all three methods A)letting it hang on a tac sling B) Retaining the rifle in one hand while presenting and shooting firing hand only and C) slinging up to free both hands before drawing sidearm.

    "A" is slightly faster than either "B" or "C" but having the long gun hanging in front of me tends to be very obstructive esp. when I try to move quickly and its banging into me. Also, if you're not careful you might end up butt stroking yourself in the chin if the muzzle hits the ground as you move to kneel behind cover.

    There is no appreciative difference between "B" and "C" except that option "C" seems to allow me more control if I'm trying to move off line rapidly.

    Like in the CRG responses when moving from seven to eleven O'Clock you'll need to be shooting w/one hand if right handed.
    As far as your Option A, if you drop the weapon with your single point sling, try to turn the weapon inboard, if it is an AR, as you release your strong hand to draw the secondary, your support ahnd will turn the weapon inboard withthe ejection port toward you, this way, your sling will lock the gun to your body and create some security. then if I move, I might move the weapon to my left side and out of the way. it is all abourt weapon control, if you decide to kneel, you need to gain control of your long gun with your support hand. I have a little bogie cord on my belt to lock my rifle in if I need to use my pistol for a extensive period of time.

  2. #62
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    Talking Darangemaster

    Hey C/L I know where there is a leg strecher so's you won't drag the muzzle on the ground when da gun is hanging. You shoot IDPA @ Prado anymore?

  3. #63
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    Quote Originally Posted by DARANGEMASTER
    Hey C/L I know where there is a leg strecher so's you won't drag the muzzle on the ground when da gun is hanging. You shoot IDPA @ Prado anymore?
    Are you who i think you are..... Damn... they let you in this place? LOL.

    That is awesome, I am glad to see you here... So when are you going to let me shoot at that beautiful range of yours?

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by SMGLee
    As far as your Option A, if you drop the weapon with your single point sling, try to turn the weapon inboard, if it is an AR, as you release your strong hand to draw the secondary, your support ahnd will turn the weapon inboard withthe ejection port toward you, this way, your sling will lock the gun to your body and create some security.
    I appreciate the feedback, bro.

    I've given this method a try but it still bangs up against my support side leg if I'm moving quickly and --regardless of the direction the ejection port is facing--it is very cumbersome if I need to take a knee or drop to prone. And because my tac sling is not a single point, it tends to obstruct my support hand's access to my spare HGN mags pouch.

    Also, it's an M1A, so when I turn the ejection port inboard, the charging handle tends to occasionally snag on my LBE chest harness.

    Finally, one of the main reasons I choose not to use Option A is because most of the long guns I own --or am likely to come across--are more likely to be equipped with a simple two point strap type sling rather than a tac sling of any configuration.

    Therefore, I chose to use Option C since that one single transition technique is applicable to just about any long gun I come across with the ubiquitous two point strap slings as well as those equipped with a tac sling. Option C also allows me to access my sidearm in any mode of carry that I am likely to employ whether it is a thigh holster or Appendix Carry while Option A is less than optimum for the latter.

    Across the board simplicity --or what IDF shooting instructor Eugene Sockut would call Principle of Uniformity--wins out, IMHO.
    Last edited by Liberty or Death; 05-20-2006 at 05:15 AM.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Randy Harris
    Or the other side of the coin,.....

    That is why Gabe teaches long range pistol marksmanship in Advanced Close Range Gunfighting ;) . Just because it is far doesn't mean it can't be done with a pistol. It may not be OPTIMAL, but it is an option.
    IIRC, during the Lozano Riots, didn't a Miami PD detective shoot a sniper at 200 feet? Also, during the Fairchild AFB incident (circa 1997 IIRC), one of my fellow USAF Security Policemen shot down an MAK-90-wielding psycho at 50 yards with 4 rounds out his M9 service pistol, 2 hits, including a brain-housing group shot.

    Anecdotal references to be sure, but they show that 'tis indeed doable.
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  6. #66
    Here's a stillborn pistol transition that didn't go so well.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twqt9nGPPRY
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