Reload Rifle or Transition To Pistol

[crofrog]

My initial thought------while moving off line, release firing grip , access sidearm, shoot BG to the ground (one handed) as I retain rifle in my support hand.

That was my thought as well. Although I'm far from very experinced. If I had tac sling of some sort I'd just let the weapon drop.

[Sanjûrô]

A quality tac sling, properly set up, can allow for some real fast transitions.

[Gabe Suarez]

True, but a quality tac sling must be put on. For most of you here, you will grab the gun and a bug out bag to go fight with it giving little time to "sling up". That is why I have gone away from it.

Is having one hand holding the rifle and one hand holding the pistol a disadvantage?

Is having an inop rifle hanging in front of you a disadvantage?

Forget what all the high speed low drag people say. Lets look at this objectively.

[Teckomando]

The quick sling that we used in the Marine Corps is still my favorite sling. It adjusts in a hurry and they are inexpensive. I have more than a half dozen of them on different weapons. I was taught to let the sling stay slack just enough to either use it as a hasty sling by wrapping your arm through, or use the weak hand to grap the weapon and drape it over your head for transition. I'm left handed so I drape the sling from left to right. The butt end on the top of my left shoulder. I still use the same method today. I can transition pretty quick. The posts here have given me something to guage how effective I can be with this method. Looks like I have to go to the range and work on it more. Maybe take some pictures so I can see how well it works using the suggestions from this thread.

[crofrog]

True, but a quality tac sling must be put on. For most of you here, you will grab the gun and a bug out bag to go fight with it giving little time to "sling up". That is why I have gone away from it.

Not trying to be a troll, just trying to understand how you envision long gun's being used by civilians.

On one hand, it seems that we need to retain the rifle mag's because we are going to be fighting for multiple day's, but at the same time we don't have time to slip a loop of webbing over our head's.

Really not trying to be to a troll honest. Just trying to flush out the senario.

[enoch]

Thank You Father that these guys are on our side !

[Gabe Suarez]

My AK-47 and ancillary gear are sitting by my desk as I type. I do not walk around with them on all day long. There is another rifle/bag set up in my vehicle. They live near me, but not ON ME like a pistol does.

Follow so far?

Now...when would you grab this? Most often I suspect it would be a sudden event. For example, you hear shots fired outside your front door. In such events you will not, I'll bet, have time to "sling up".

Other times may be situations where there is warning such as Katrina/L.A. Riots type events. You will likely have plenty of time to prepare for this, but if you walk around with your rifle slung up, the US-vs-THEM cops brought in from commie states will probably target you. Thus in my mind, low profile would win out.

A rifle equipped as such can be kept out of sight yet ready. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I know what I need and what I choose....the funny thing is that none of my GO gear vaguely resembles what the SEALs use, or what LAPD's SWAT calendar shows.

[crofrog]

My AK-47 and ancillary gear are sitting by my desk as I type. I do not walk around with them on all day long. There is another rifle/bag set up in my vehicle. They live near me, but not ON ME like a pistol does.

Follow so far?

Now...when would you grab this? Most often I suspect it would be a sudden event. For example, you hear shots fired outside your front door. In such events you will not, I'll bet, have time to "sling up".

Other times may be situations where there is warning such as Katrina/L.A. Riots type events. You will likely have plenty of time to prepare for this, but if you walk around with your rifle slung up, the US-vs-THEM cops brought in from commie states will probably target you. Thus in my mind, low profile would win out.

A rifle equipped as such can be kept out of sight yet ready. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I know what I need and what I choose....the funny thing is that none of my GO gear vaguely resembles what the SEALs use, or what LAPD's SWAT calendar shows.

Thanks for the answer, I see where you are coming from now.

[S-Lee]

True, but a quality tac sling must be put on. For most of you here, you will grab the gun and a bug out bag to go fight with it giving little time to "sling up". That is why I have gone away from it.

Is having one hand holding the rifle and one hand holding the pistol a disadvantage?

Is having an inop rifle hanging in front of you a disadvantage?

Forget what all the high speed low drag people say. Lets look at this objectively.

Gabe... I am not sure what you are stating as far as bug out.

Here is what i see.

1. Home defense.... you are going to take one or the other. I tend to stick to my Springfield TRP and a Surefire X300, or my Remington 870 with Surefire light forend and a wilson ghost ring. the 1911 don't need a sling and my 870 has a Daniel Defense sling loop with a Blue Force Gear single point UDC sling. either way, I can take the one or the other... there is no way in a home defense situation that I am going to grab two guns.

2. SHTF, depends on the situation, if I need to bug out, I would prepare my load out, grab my gear bag, gun and misc. stuff that is packed away in case of an emergency. at this point, I am not running out of the house, everything is done is very methodically so putting on a rifle with a sling, holster you pistol, grab your bug out bag and head out.

3. in the most rare case a terrorists attack occurs, couple of terrorists with AK47 are shooting up a mall. you have a CCW and what should you do....I would find a path to safety and make sure if I have love ones near by, that they are going to be safe too. if I am separated frommy loved ones, i would gain contact and have them hold position with some cover and concealment and I will try to find them and get them out. even if I have a rifle in my car, I don't think there is time to go out the car to get my rifle and come back to fight. stay below the radar, move smart and get you and your loved ones out... the rest is really NONE of my business. There is no need to be the HERO!! I will live with myself just fine afterwards too. :)

so if youare transiton, you are most likely going to be slinged. if you have a rifle, how hard and how much longer is it to sling the weapon? single point is a basic loop, Gabe.. you show int he video how fast is was for you to sling your two point. so why have a rifle without a sling? in any case, you are holstered with apistol, and you grab a rifle.. sling it. and proceed to solve the problem.

so in the end.. transition, is something I stree heavily with my training group. we make sure no one is trying to solve the jam anything under 25 yrds. trainsition transition transition. support hand with the forend turn the weapon inboard and to the support side, while the strong hand reach for the pistol and with the left hand coming up to get a two hand grip or in close contact, fire the pistol with the strong hand in a point shooting manner...by the way, I will be at your Shotgun course this weekend, maybe if you like, I will bring my rifles with several different sling set up and do transition drills and film it.

ain't this a hoot....:D

[Gabe Suarez]

Chen,

Sure we could spend a bit of time discussing slings and transitions. My personal pref...for my situation, is not to sling up.