Hounds of war: Let`s see `em!

[barnetmill]

Wow! Impressive! Thanks for posting; where (generally) and when?

It was posted by a fellow that think Willie W lives about atlanta, but not 100% sure. Time was yesterday. That is something many dogs will do, but one does not know for sure until it happens. The main thing is that it stopped when ordered to do so. That is rarer.

I just checked his facepage and Willie lives in

Roseville, Michigan

[barnetmill]

The JDJ or JD Johnson was the founder of Johnson American Bulldog breed type and what he had to say about Schutzhund training for his dogs. Probably why the police seldom use bully and mastiff type dogs for attack dog training.

JDJ made the same statement many years ago. "The majority of dogs that I have had returned to me over the years have been returned following protection training. I feel that these dogs can be trained from a protection or Schutzhund type standpoint, but I think that the dog trainer must be very highly skilled. These dogs can be extremely ferocious towards any animal and to direct this degree of fury towards a human being is dangerous. I know of no quicker way to ruin one of these dogs than to place him in the hands of a less-than-expert dog trainer who trains him to attack human beings." JDJ

Picture of what is labeled as a Johnson American bulldog


Picture an Alan Scot American Bulldog

account of the history of the American Bulldog. Both lines started with 'white english dogs' and then each breeder added different breeds into the mix with Scott being the more honest about what he did and trying to breed a more functional dog.
The principal architects of today's American Bulldog are Alan Scott and John D. Johnson. In 1970, Alan Scott and John D. Johnson first registered the American Pit Bulldog with the NKC, and later renamed it the American Bulldog to avoid confusion with the American Pit Bull Terrier. Prior to that the dogs were known by a variety of different regional names: Southern White, Hill Bulldog, Country Bulldog, White Bulldog, White English Bulldog, English White, and commonly just "Bulldog".


As well as having varying names according to region, they also had local bloodline variations in appearance and size and also differences according to the tasks intended of them by their breeders and this is part of the reason why the American Bulldog breed conformation standards laid down by the registries allow for such a wide variation in type.



Initially Scott and Johnson had similar dogs and they freely bred and traded dogs with each other. Scott's Mac the Masher and Johnson's Dick the Bruiser were their foundation dogs. These two dogs were Old Southern Whites. Alan Scott and John D. Johnson scoured the mountains and valleys of those Southern states looking for bulldogs and buying up those that they liked and they began a breeding program together.





Later on they each went seperate ways and JDJ began to develop and refine his trademark heavier-built style of American Bulldog. From the breeding programs of these two men, two distinct strains have emerged, commonly called the Scott type or Standard/Performance class or the Johnson type or Bully/Classic class.



Alan Scott, has never changed the way he bred his dogs, always keeping an eye on the working traits he had come to depend on in the woods and on the farm. Never adding to or taking from whathe and Mr. Johnson started with all those years ago. Alan has dedicated 40 years to the refinment and survivel of the original working Bulldog. Helping write a standard that will continue to keep the American Bulldog going inthe right direction.
http://www.owlhollowkennels.com/History.html

[Texican_gal]

That Johnson guy went hog-wild and crossed everything imaginable into what was the Old Southern White Bulldog. I've seen Johnson dogs that clearly had St. Bernard, Dogue de Bordeaux, and god knows what else. A "Johnson" dog is a mixed-breed canine bred for size; and you do not know what you're going to get. Johnson was a paper-hanging fool, if you know what I mean.

Nobody ever saw all the way into JDJ's barn, so to speak.

[barnetmill]

That Johnson guy went hog-wild and crossed everything imaginable into what was the Old Southern White Bulldog. I've seen Johnson dogs that clearly had St. Bernard, Dogue de Bordeaux, and god knows what else. A "Johnson" dog is a mixed-breed canine bred for size; and you do not know what you're going to get. Johnson was a paper-hanging fool, if you know what I mean.

Nobody ever saw all the way into JDJ's barn, so to speak.

Basically that is what my mentors of The White English Preservation Society claim about Johnson and they think much better of Alan Scott. They both did want larger dogs and so does the public. The old white english dogs come in two types. One is more bulldog like and they tend to be smaller than the mastiff type. The larger mastiff types were more laid back and not as good for hog hunting purposes. It may be that JDJ was only able to find the smaller bulldog type and so went foreign mastiff type dogs to get some size in his line. Scott also crossbred, but he would tell what it was and you could see through his barn to back.

Fact is a good forty lbs pit bull is a dog to be reckoned with; for many purposes 110 lb dog is not necessary. Example of the white english bull dog type below.

Heather HW: Max x Zena pups this morning after their breakfast. Dirty little heathens! They are bulldog type! They chase and bite the rake or shovel every time I'm in there with them. Plus my feet, ankles, legs, etc.
Its a very consistent litter so far in type. temp and size.

[barnetmill]

Strange, but this does happen from time to time. They are looking into the general health of the dog. I wonder if the dog suffered a brain injury or had a stroke.

http://www.macon.com/news/local/comm...146898639.html By Becky Purser

bpurser@macon.com




A Houston County sheriff’s deputy was forced to shoot and kill the K-9 he handles after the dog attacked him, the sheriff says.
Sgt. Slate Simons was attacked by the dog Tuesday afternoon while helping the Dooly County Sheriff’s Office on a manhunt, Houston County Sheriff Cullen Talton said.

Read more here: http://www.macon.com/news/local/comm...#storylink=cpy

[barnetmill]

Explanation of the above:

This sounds like a typical stress case. I've seen dogs working on the streets and once they get in a real altercation with a suspect and he received a beating some of them are never the same. You have to understand that most of the k-9 arrest never get a bite, because of the intimidation factor. Once you announce that k-9 is going to be released most folks give up. When I was decoying some dogs for Dade county in the 90s I remember they had that year over 320 k-9 arrest only two were a live bite. Dogs are like people, some can take more stress than others. They all look good in a training field but in the streets is what really matters. Another thing I want to point out. Is unnatural for a dog to bite humans, is only in the last 150 years people been breeding for specific traits like bite work, hunt drive, play drive, retrieve drive etc to get a better police dog.

[Papa]

What a heartbreaker. I suspect the attack was prolonged and could not be terminated by other means. I've had a GSD hanging by his teeth from my left forearm after a robbery track, but he wasn't my partner, and I didn't have to kill him.

[barnetmill]

[barnetmill]

Mastiff saving a child from the waters of the Arno, ca 1867, by Carlo Ademollo (1825-1911). Italy, 19th century. Florence, Palazzo Pitti (Pitti Palace) Galleria D'Arte Moderna.

[barnetmill]

Lady recounts story of how her dog saved her.

Neat dogs. I'd like to hear how your Presa saved your life.
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BMcC One of the times I won't talk about. The other was when I was pregnant with my third child. Around 8 months pregnant. One of my sons who was 17 months opened the door to a man running from police. I was down in the basement doing laundry. When I came up stairs, I saw the man standing in my living room. He was telling me he needed money. That the cops gave him a scare. Started having contractions. I told him I didn't have any money. He kept on telling me to give him money screaming at me. I was scared. Knew my dog was outside in the backyard in a fenced in yard. The windows were opened and I yelled where's Bella!! She heard me and knew by my tone that I was in trouble. She jumped the fence and came through the front door that had been left open just a bit. Ran into the house and latched onto the mans thigh didn't let go at all while he made his way outside to his car. He was in his car and hit her in the head with his car door so many times I thought she'd die. She finally let go when I told her to. He was caught a few blocks away by police.
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MS Wow...bet that dog got a lot of love after that.
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BMcC She did. Best dog I ever had.
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MS Man, that's some story.... Some time we'll have to start a post just where owners tell about times when dogs saved their bacon.
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BMcC I'll never be without a large guardian dog with me.
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BMcC When I lost her to cancer I had nightmares. Then I saw someone that was expecting pups not very far away from me and I got bijou.
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BMcC She's the same as Bella was. Protective and always with me.
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JM That a amazing story did she have any kind of protection training or was she just that protective of you also was she that way with your kids were she would have gone after someone over your kids
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BMcC No training.
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BMcC She protected my kids always.
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BMcC I don't like and don't think that a dog should have to be trained to protect when they're a guardian breed.
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BMcC A presa, a corso, an owe. All should protect their owners and children and livestock.
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JH Good to know don't think I know that breed but good to know if I have a hard time finding a owe
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BMcC You're south you'd be able to find them easier than me. Heather is the one I'll get an owe from and I'm in Michigan.
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BMcC The thing about presas is they have a lot of prey drive.
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BMcC They tend to act before thinking.
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JH Well our pit boxer is still going strong so it might be a while before we have to find his replacement did you have to say anything more than her name or was you being scard and a strange in the house enough for her to know something was wrong
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BMcC All I had to do was say her name. The tone in my voice let her know something was wrong
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BMcC She'd never jumped the fence before that day.
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JH Wow that is crazy there is dogs​ out there that would kill to protect their people but you hear people that say it training I can't help but think of one of my uncle's that was a k9 officer and his GSD he said it was all the training that made her that way don't get me wrong she was a good gurad dog after they retarid her my uncle got to keep her and you didn't go around his house or car without him telling her it was ok but I can't help but think queen would have got her butt kiked in a fight by a oweLike · Reply · 27 mins


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BMcC In my experience it's not training. It's bred into them and it's loyalty.