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  1. #21
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    I agree with the OP 100% I went to Ayoobs in 92 it was beneficial back then and still has some positives. The World has changed…..I have Instructor insurance, Multi-million $ umbrella polices The difference is the mindset..get home, get good lawyers (I know everyone hates em till ya need em) and get on with it. I'm ok being a scumbag who shot lil Homey with a realistic plastic firearm stuck in my face….I'm not ok with being dead Just me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surratt691 View Post
    I work for the largest department in SC. Pitting is against policy for one, shooting from a moving vehicle is against policy second. And pitting a vehicle or shooting a tire out at high speed would be viewed as deadly force and would have to be justified as such, and with out him being a mass murderer good luck with our solicitors office. All use of force and pursuits are reviewed by training and Internal Affairs. The days of shooting tires out ended for us in the 90s, by policy weapons are to be fired to end the threat, in the limited scope that we fire at vehicles all rounds are directed at the driver (ex, if he is trying to run over a deputy on foot).
    So then the answer for that agency is simple:

    Get in your car
    Drive to Starbucks
    Get the Wall Street Journal and check on your investments
    When given a call, drive safely there...even if dispatched code three
    Write a good report (albeit not "too good")
    Be empathic to the crying victims
    Go back to Starbucks for a refill

    Next day...same thing. No...its not "Good", but it probably pays well so collect your cash and don't give a flying f*ck about anything or anyone else...because they don't give one about you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ss58 View Post
    I agree with the OP 100% I went to Ayoobs in 92 it was beneficial back then and still has some positives. The World has changed…..I have Instructor insurance, Multi-million $ umbrella polices The difference is the mindset..get home, get good lawyers (I know everyone hates em till ya need em) and get on with it.

    Actually, outside of the narrow minded first year cops, lawyers are not hated by learned modern men. They, like doctors, investment councelors, and architects, are experts at their trade. I have five lawyers on my contact list, each a specialist in different areas: Corporate stuff, OCONUS stuff, two defense attorneys (in case I shoot and kill someone in a grey situation), and one evil black hearted attorney I use to destroy others with.
    I'm ok being a scumbag who shot lil Homey with a realistic plastic firearm stuck in my face….I'm not ok with being dead Just me.

    When you wake up one day and realize that needing to always be "the good guy" is a waste of effort in this day and age...and that its not only OK, but actually selfishly enjoyable to be seen as "the bad guy" by some, you will smile and life suddenly gets brighter and easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surratt691 View Post
    I work for the largest department in SC. Pitting is against policy for one, shooting from a moving vehicle is against policy second. And pitting a vehicle or shooting a tire out at high speed would be viewed as deadly force and would have to be justified as such, and with out him being a mass murderer good luck with our solicitors office. All use of force and pursuits are reviewed by training and Internal Affairs. The days of shooting tires out ended for us in the 90s, by policy weapons are to be fired to end the threat, in the limited scope that we fire at vehicles all rounds are directed at the driver (ex, if he is trying to run over a deputy on foot).
    Sorry on vacation in Colorado. First policy is not law, here or anywhere else. Second there is a thread here on that particular shoot, guy was intentionally targeting citizens and officers with said vehicle. Third pit is a ok here . Fourth if I had enough engine to get beside him I would have shot him instead of the tire and drifted his vehicle into the marsh we were driving along at that time. It was a deadly force situation, I just couldn't get a bead on him at the time, and had deescalated by the time I got hands on him. Sorry you're working for an agency that doesn't trust their men, that's gotta suck having them constantly look over your shoulder.
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