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    With regards to rifles, or SMGs, the head mounted NV Unit is mandatory. There is no Night Vision Harries Shooting Position. There was a time when the lowly tax paying civilians were SOL when it came to IR Lasers. Not any longer thanks to Laser Devices, a So Cal company that developed an eye-safe IR laser. Now that the technology is out, I suspect everyone will be making these.

    On Rifles, there are IR Lasers available to civilian users.

    On the low end are the ITAL and OTAL units. In essence InLine Tactical Aiming Laser, or Offset Tactical Aiming Laser. They are excellent and affordable. I have one of the OTALs and it lives atop a Knights SR-15.

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    More on the ITAL here. More on the OTAL here.

    Recently, I added a new Laser Unit to one of my SBR M4s. This is the LASER DEVICES AN/PEQ-2A DBAL-I2. It is the best of the best IMHO. It offers dual laser units...one an IR and the other a visible green laser. The green lasers are far more visible than the red and for a rifle, thye are the best ting going. Why a dual laser? There are times when you may want a laser when not using NV. Moving targets, moving vehicle to stationary or moving target, as well as for tactical communications. More on that at a later date.

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    More on the DBAL I2 here
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    Mod Armory makes a dual PVS 14 mount that is expensive, but trick. Mounts two PVS-14s, one in front of each eye for bioptic performance. Each half of the mount operates independently so you can use both or either. Provides for many options. I'm looking forward to testing one out.
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    Is there a place for visible lasers with NVGs, with the understanding that there are limitations? My thought is that if a visible laser is less a "shoot me" flare then a white light.


    I jumped into NV gear several years ago, when Gen3 stuff was prohibitively expensive. Gen 1+ and Gen 2 units were somewhat cheaper (not as cheap as they seem to be now). Obviously the differences between the current stuff and even Gen 2 are drastic; but while I cant read a paper with them, I can move around inside and out with them, (maybe even drive; but haven't tested it).

    I have to agree with the magnification issue. Even a 2x unit makes just simple walking through the house difficult. What it does offer for viewing outside is no where near as much an advantage as the disadvantage of reaching for something only to find its waaaay over there or tripping over something right in front of you.

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    If you have a NV Unit, you can get in place and then pop the laser for the same reason you get a flash sight picture before shooting...to make sure you are on. But there is no reason to pop the laser unless that is the goal. In any case, you will need the NV unit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Sauer View Post
    Mod Armory makes a dual PVS 14 mount that is expensive, but trick. Mounts two PVS-14s, one in front of each eye for bioptic performance. Each half of the mount operates independently so you can use both or either. Provides for many options. I'm looking forward to testing one out.

    Having run two units and a monocular, I find the monocular less draining mentally and physically than the binocular.
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    SEAL Team 6 had versions with 4 PVS's on them , one for each eye and one each for the peripherals. Saw them in Mark Owens book and in "Zero Dark Thirty".
    Seemed claustrophobic and heavy to me, but in theory would give less "tunnel vision".

    The thing that gets overlooked is that it is rarely "totally dark", so maneuvering into place or lightly searching can be done without the use of an NVD, but seeing at distance, into shadows and engaging with optics are where the PVS works so well on a helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabe Suarez View Post
    If you have a NV Unit, you can get in place and then pop the laser for the same reason you get a flash sight picture before shooting...to make sure you are on. But there is no reason to pop the laser unless that is the goal. In any case, you will need the NV unit.
    Yeah that was kinda my first thought.

    On the flip side, I was also thinking about a NV device (without a reticle) EITHER mounted to a rifle/SMG OR worn as a head/helmet unit. In that case the laser was the "night time" sighting device. Spotting would be done with the NV unit and then lasing to "mark the target". Obviously there are better tools (much better--like an IR Laser); Im just pondering ways to make the most use out of whats on hand.


    Im clearly NOT opposed to Tier One weapons and gear; but Im also trying to be realistic with entry level devices. I suspect there are a few of us that can dig up a laser "we just had to have", and maybe one or two even have that even have a Gen 1 monocular. My thinking was that these old "toys" could be building blocks till we upgrade.

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    I see some NV gear in my future. Excellent thread!
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    Maybe we will do an experimental R&D session in northern AZ here as soon as it starts getting warmer. Not a class...just a get together for those who want to attend. Maybe.
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    The ITAL & OTAL are not that costly compared to what I was under the impression that they would be. I was just figuring that with the cost of the NV gear the accessories would follow in suit.
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