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eight_88888888
09-02-2005, 11:11 PM
I've been looking at his adds in Black Belt, and they look kinda questionable to me. Anybody have any more info on this guy?


something i found today: (copy and paste link)
http://sadlyno.com/archives/001351.html

Agencyman
09-03-2005, 04:47 AM
If words were water, he could have flooded a city. He has a newsletter with a few words of wisdom occasionally mixed in with the never-ending spout, but he is a "promoter". He promotes himself, mostly.

For a mere $4500. I could have attended one of his seminars, guaranteed to be worth it!

About his fighting guidelines and training, be careful. If you listen long enough he will even tell you between the lines that it can be fiction, highly embellished, but only expanded to make it seem like a bargain in volume.

He brags of making a quarter million dollars every week or so, writing large things, anything(s), with as many goodies included as can be dreamed up, just to make money.

I sense a "downward" look as he gazes at his flock.

B.

I passed.

B.

michael
09-03-2005, 05:58 AM
His combat conditioning book is decent, but overpriced, as is all his material. There are much better things available for free: www.crossfit.com, www.trainforstrength.com, www.dragondoor.com, www.arthurdevany.com.

Cold War Scout
09-03-2005, 07:06 AM
Get on his mailing list and you will never get off it.....

ShanghaiJay
09-03-2005, 08:41 AM
I have been a fan of Coach Sonnon for years. I have his clubbell and BodyFlow tapes and they are awesome.

I am not going to pay shipping for clubbells to China but I have had good results with sledgehammers.

he also has a free e-zine.

www.circularstrength.mag.com.

Jay

Cold War Scout
09-03-2005, 11:17 AM
I have been a fan of Coach Sonnon for years. I have his clubbell and BodyFlow tapes and they are awesome.

I am not going to pay shipping for clubbells to China but I have had good results with sledgehammers.

he also has a free e-zine.

www.circularstrength.mag.com.

Jay

Damn clubbelks are just too expensive.

What weight sledgehammers you use?

Ragsbo
09-03-2005, 12:58 PM
His exercises ain't that bad, but if he was half as important as he thinks he is, the could have stopped the hurricane all by himself. I agree, there are better and cheaper places to get the same info.

Glass
09-03-2005, 06:09 PM
I'm going to change my name to one of these possibilities:

Johnny Kickass
Drake McAwesome
Frankie Lightning
Duke Hammer
Blake Ultra
Michael Muerte
Chuck MacSpinecrusher
Thor

I know, I'm a smartass...

:D
Patrick

PaulDmitrios
09-03-2005, 08:27 PM
Furey's stuff isn't bad, but other guys do the bodyweight conditioning stuff as well and for much less money. If you do enough trolling around the internet you can find just about all the same kinds of info he puts out for free.

What he does do well is put together interesting workout routines, but even that kind of variety can be found if you do enough searching around the web.

ShanghaiJay
09-03-2005, 09:14 PM
What weight sledgehammers you use?

I started with 8lbs. Now that I can do 100 Swipes and Mills without stopping I'll be buying some 15lb ers.

Jay

BB82
09-04-2005, 08:01 AM
Furey is a bit overpriced for what you get, but his Combat Conditioning Book is solid, old-fashioned exercises that get to the point of the matter. I use it to teach my out-of-shape beginners in my karate classes, with the exception of his 'back bridge', which I add in later. It's a little tough for beginners. But most of his material is stuff that will get folks back in shape.
I don't 'dis' Matt Furey too much, because, if nothing else, he IS a motivator to lot's of people that wouldn't otherwise exercise. Sure he self-promotes more than most, but that's marketing, and he's trying to make a living.
As posted above, everything that Furey teaches is available elsewhere on the net, mostly for free. But if you want it all in one low quality construction book for 30 bucks, he's got it.

Navy Gunner
09-16-2005, 06:22 AM
I will second Michael: Crossfit has some great stuff and Fish at www.trainforstrength.com not only has some great stuff but is a strait shooter. When I was stationed in Hawaii we worked at the same gym as trainers, did lots of heavy deads back in the corner. Great stuff.

Good Luck

mlhoward
09-16-2005, 07:08 AM
I started with 8lbs. Now that I can do 100 Swipes and Mills without stopping I'll be buying some 15lb ers.

Jay
So we can officially call you John Henry, steel drivin' man?

ShanghaiJay
09-16-2005, 06:44 PM
Yonder lies a steel drivin' man, oh lord!
Yonder lies a steel drivin' man.
Yonder lies a steel drivin' man, oh lord!
Yonder lies a steel drivin' man.
Yonder lies a steel drivin' man, oh lord!
Yonder lies a steel drivin' man.

:D

Tegnerfan
09-16-2005, 07:29 PM
I have saved an old free-hand exercise course devised by Bradley Steiner from the late 70's from an old MuscleMag(back when it was good!), that i would say would be as good as Furys' routines.

PaulDmitrios
09-17-2005, 01:52 PM
Tegnerfan,
Can you scan and post? or just give the jist of it? I'm interested in just about anything Mr. Steiner has to say on exercise.

Tegnerfan
09-17-2005, 04:03 PM
Unfortunately my scanner/printer is screwed up right now, but I'll give you the brief outline.He starts with deepknee bends, 2 sets of 25, adding 5 reps per week until you can do 2 sets of 100.Then 1 legged calf raises, starting with 2 sets of 25, working up to 2 sets of 50.Next forward bend, side to side twists for the lower back,30 reps adding 2 per side a week till 50.Next come jacknives,doing 10 adding 5 a week till 50.Leg scissors,50 working up to 100.Situps,2x25,up to 2x75.Pushups, 3x20, working up to 3x50. That was the basic course.I did it for a spell in my 20's and found it VERY effective, right before I underwent Army basic training.I too really like Steiners works,and his book"Total Fitness and Dynamic Health", has a very good free-hand routine.

82medic
09-20-2005, 02:11 PM
I have to agree with most of the posts. I've purchased Combat Conditioning and Combat Abs and I think that they are a good reference tool but I also think that you can get some of the same information elsewhere for a cheaper price. I also am on his email list and I'm to the point where I can tell where he's going in the first sentence or two. I usually delete them because few have anything worthwhile to read. Alot of it self promotion. Anyway just my .02.

mross
09-21-2005, 11:56 AM
Ahh, Matt Furey, where to begin? Everything said is true. His prices are high. Some of his stuff is good. The questions is the price to information worth it? I also have Combat Conditioning and Combat Abs. Yes, all the information was available else where. I read about hindu squats and pushups in a old Draeger book. But, I was not really motivated to try them until I read Furey. That being said I have many of his tapes, Farmer Burns, Neck Cranks et. al. I got them off ebay or second hand. When the price comes down then the stuff is worth it. If he dropped his prices considerably I would say it's worth. For now I'll pass.

myke
09-24-2005, 11:25 AM
I havent had a chance to read his book yet.

I was recently sent a link to his combat conditioning book in .PDF format. I dont know if its all over google or not, I can post it here if appropriate or just PM me...

Skpotamus
10-08-2005, 01:17 PM
Apologies for coming to this thread so late, but I do have some info on Furey that wasn't previously posted.

I'm big into MMA, I've been competing in it for years and watched a lot of the bigger fads in MMA come and go. As said above, you can get better workouts for free on the web. I highly recommend trainforstrength.com as I use those workouts (slightly modified) to get me ready for MMA and Muay Thai matches.

What I found funny, was Fureys conditioning book and tapes. Not because of the material inside, but because of the obvious lack of Furey's using them.

I still remember when he got laughed off of the Underground Forum for his grappling match with Lions Den Fighter Joe Hurley a 155lb - 170lber (for those of you that don't know, Furey is a heavyweight). During their 10 minute grappling match, Furey had to stop 4 times to catch his breath due to his lack of conditioning. Furey's skill in grappling was also exposed when the 170lb fighter with only a few years training (albeit very good training) tapped Furey repeatedly. This was when Furey was touting to be a submission specialist and writing all kinds of interesting things about the Abu Dhabi Combat Club challenge and why he would win it if he were invited.

I would recommend you stay away from Furey and look otherplaces for anything he makes.

Leo Daher
10-08-2005, 04:17 PM
Skpotamus, that's very interesting info. Thanks for sharing.

Wylycoyte
10-08-2005, 04:45 PM
Very interesting indeed! Thanks!

AF1
10-28-2005, 10:30 PM
Regarding that Bradley Steiner freehand exercise course: are "leg scissors" done by lying on the floor on your back, lifting your legs a few inches off the floor, and then crossing and uncrossing them in a side-to-side motion?

And do the "jacknives" refer to jacknife pushups or jacknife situps?

Just trying to be clear on these exercises, in order to maybe take a crack at what looks to be a very nice little workout routine.

conman
11-08-2005, 07:27 PM
Hi guys,

I'm new to the group, but I can't help but say, you can find some great sites with free info.

I'm a personal trainer so, free is always better. A couple of site to check out:

http://www.trainforstrength.com/exercises.shtml
http://www.ronjones.org/Coach&Train/ExercisePhotos/BodyWeight/Archives.html
http://www.frixo.com/sites/fitness/index.html

Conman.

Cold War Scout
11-08-2005, 07:51 PM
http://www.frixo.com/sites/fitness/index.html

Burpees without the pushup and the jump?

Skpotamus
11-08-2005, 10:49 PM
We used to do a lot of sprawl drills as a warmup for our workouts. A lot of the new guys couldn't get through them at first....Do 50 hard sprawls in a row with no break and you really feel it. The trick is to do it more explosively, and put your hips on the ground like you were really sprawling out on a guy shooting in on you. Put the tops of your feet on the ground, keep your shoulders and head up (kinda like the starting position of a divebomber/hindu pushup) and then come up as quickly as you can.

Burpees with the pushup and jump are fun too. One of these days, I'll have to post my old bodyweight routines for my fights.

AF1
11-09-2005, 08:18 AM
Post 'em, bro. I for one would enjoy seeing them.

Skpotamus
11-09-2005, 12:51 PM
I had about 4 sets of body weight routines I would do just to keep mixing things up. Each one had a little different flavor to it. This was a kind of general one, where the others focused on a particular muscle group (ex, legs, midsection, upperbody)

This was one of the workouts. All of them were designed to push us to muscle failure. They were heavily borrowed from Scrapper, of the body by fish website, then modified to fit our needs. www.bodybyfish.com

I have a couple of pages of explanations on the exercises, I won't post it now, but if you have questions I can answer them. I copied this from word and the formatting got a little messed up. I tried to make it somewhat legible though

A note on how we used these. These were typically done at the end of our technical workouts to push us to muscle failure. None of us ever got through the whole workout the first couple of times, and most of us never really ever got through the whole damned thing without having to take a break. Ideally, you are going straight from one exercise to the next without pause.

At the end, we'd do about 15 mintues of flexibility training and stretching ala the Kurz method found at www.stadion.com

Workout Normal:
UPPER BODY:
JUMPING JACKS: 150
SPRAWLS: 100
PUSHUPS/MOUNTAIN CLIMBERS: 3 SETS OF 10
#1 = DIAMONDS
#2 = CLAPPERS
#3 = DIVE BOMBERS

GRAPPLING UNLIMITED PUSHUPS: 100
DIPS: 50

LOWERBODY:
SHOOTFIGHTER/BOOTSTRAPPERS: 50 BOOTSTRAPPERS/50 SHOOTFIGHTERS UNTIL 200 OF EACH DONE
HIGH KNEE JUMPS: 25
STRIDERS: 50
WALKING LUNGES: 50

ABS:
LEG RAISES: 50
SIT AND TUCKS: 50
FLUTTER KICKS/GOODMORNINGS: 50 *50 OF EACH UNTIL 200* (NO REST)
FEET UP: 50
V-UPS: 50
SIDE CRUNCHES: 50
FULL SITUPS: 50
CRUNCHES: 100
*REST BETWEEN EXERCISES SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN 10 SECONDS*
PICK ONE: PICK ONE EXERCISE FOR ABS, AND REP OUT 200

BACK:
BACK ARCHES: 50
TOE TOUCHES: 50
SIDE TWISTS: 50
SIDE BENDS: 50

AF1
11-10-2005, 06:09 PM
Whew! Anybody that could get through that in one shot would be an absolute beast, conditioning-wise.

Skpotamus
11-11-2005, 12:00 AM
AF1, yeah, they really kicked the crap out of us. By the time we could get through the workouts we knew we were ready, conditioning wise, to fight.

We actually had one that was a LOT worse than that one. The above one was somethign I came up with after tinkering with some workouts. The worst one came directly from the guy who runs that site I posted (www.trainforstrength.com (http://www.trainforstrength.com) is the correct URL, body by fish is the name of the site. I'll post it tomorrow if I get a chance. He had posted them on the Underground Forum back when it was still shootfighting.com Tough as hell workout. He got it from his Seal Training days I guess. We would do that workout as a full session. It lasted quite a long time.... I think it was designed to drop the seals....

remi95
12-05-2005, 08:58 AM
Hello Everyone,
I'm new to this site, but while reading this post I didn't see anyone mention a site by Ross Enamait, www.warriorforce.com (http://www.warriorforce.com). Ross is into boxing and he has some very tough workouts from what I have read. He also will absolutely reply to your email personally and usually pretty quickly. His stuff seems to be tough, but straightforward, and he has several books that he has put together that you can purchase. Don't know if they are better, or worse than some others mentioned, but I thought I would throw them out there because from what I have found Ross seems to be a stand up guy with no b.s.

Thanks,
Rex

eight_88888888
12-05-2005, 07:02 PM
and Rex, welcome to the forum.

Cold War Scout
12-05-2005, 07:18 PM
Hello Everyone,
I'm new to this site, but while reading this post I didn't see anyone mention a site by Ross Enamait, www.warriorforce.com (http://www.warriorforce.com). Ross is into boxing and he has some very tough workouts from what I have read. He also will absolutely reply to your email personally and usually pretty quickly. His stuff seems to be tough, but straightforward, and he has several books that he has put together that you can purchase. Don't know if they are better, or worse than some others mentioned, but I thought I would throw them out there because from what I have found Ross seems to be a stand up guy with no b.s.

Thanks,
Rex

Ross's stuff is awesome.

tattoodave
12-18-2005, 11:12 AM
I bought his combat conditioning program, pretty O.K. stuff, but way over priced and not that informative, actually fairly limited I thought and really the best shape I've ever been in was in the 82nd Abn. and we used the good old FM21-20 I found it online free and have been using it regularly with medium intensity and getting great results.

http://www.again.net/~steve/page7c.htm

Gabriel Suarez
12-18-2005, 01:25 PM
I've been working on Sinawali with steel pipes as mentioned in DBMA's videos. I've also been doing AMOK "81"s with a heavy shotgun (Oh, something I'm developing:rolleyes: ). The idea of sledgehammers are very intriguing. ACE Hardware, here I come.

eight_88888888
12-18-2005, 03:40 PM
I bought his combat conditioning program, pretty O.K. stuff, but way over priced and not that informative, actually fairly limited I thought and really the best shape I've ever been in was in the 82nd Abn. and we used the good old FM21-20 I found it online free and have been using it regularly with medium intensity and getting great results.

http://www.again.net/~steve/page7c.htm (http://www.again.net/%7Esteve/page7c.htm)

an interesting site. However, when i downloaded the FM21-20 it said the file was corrupt. is there another place I can get it?

myke
12-19-2005, 01:31 AM
give it another try. It worked for me..

Chicago
12-19-2005, 05:45 PM
Just as I was going to cancel my free e-mail subscription to Matt Furey, he sent a letter praising the virtue of snow sprints. I've always liked running on the beach, so I followed Furey's advice-bundling up for the 10 degree temperature, walking to the park near me, and running in the 12 inch snow for about a mile, in sprints of 100 yards. Great workout-like running in soft sand, making you raise your legs. Such is life in the People's Republic of Illinois in mid-December.

eight_88888888
12-19-2005, 11:07 PM
give it another try. It worked for me..

Tried it again and got it; thanks. seems to only work on IE, but not Firefox.