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Mt33
05-22-2011, 01:05 PM
Tricks to long range shooting of a J Frame?

Tricks to long range shooting a Glock 21?

Should I get a .22 LR j frame to shoot everyweek?

I want to get hits on a man sized target at 100+ maybe 220 yards. It will give me confidence and allow me to fight an bad guy who might have a rifle. If nothing else it is a goal that I want to meet.

RayMich
05-22-2011, 02:08 PM
Tricks to long range shooting of a J Frame?

Tricks to long range shooting a Glock 21?

Should I get a .22 LR j frame to shoot everyweek?

I want to get hits on a man sized target at 100+ maybe 220 yards. It will give me confidence and allow me to fight an bad guy who might have a rifle. If nothing else it is a goal that I want to meet.

As I understand it, the best trick for making consistent good hits with a Glock at 100+ yards is to get one fitted with the Trijicon RMR red dot sight.

There are several variations available at OST's Technical Services Division.
http://www.onesourcetactical.com/technicalservicesdivision.aspx

Here are some pictures of G19 with the RMR sight.
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?65693-G19-RMR-Red-Dot...A-pictorial.&highlight=Trijicon+%2BRMR

Dorkface
05-22-2011, 02:30 PM
Get your basics down pat. I can hit 200 with my G30 with irons and I have hit at 200 with Gabe's 17 w/rmr at 200 as well. The only trick is be rock solid and have a smooth trigger pull.

Jon Payne
05-22-2011, 02:43 PM
Well said Dorkface.

Pokeguyjai
05-22-2011, 03:31 PM
Get your basics down pat. I can hit 200 with my G30 with irons and I have hit at 200 with Gabe's 17 w/rmr at 200 as well. The only trick is be rock solid and have a smooth trigger pull.

Yup another +1. A trick I have for myself is to tell myself that I am dry firing. Minimizes any flinch that I might've worked up.

Spiffy
05-22-2011, 03:37 PM
Never had a J Frame but I wonder if the sight radius would be long enough for shooting that far?

bae
05-22-2011, 04:06 PM
Never had a J Frame but I wonder if the sight radius would be long enough for shooting that far?

Colombianito sold me a S&W 340 J-frame a couple of years back that hits the steel plate at 100 yards just fine. I think it's more a matter of practice, trigger management, and zen archery than sights, because the front sight it came with is worthless at non-point-shpoting range :-)

lostone1413
05-22-2011, 04:28 PM
Considering i am near sighted significantly.............i agree with BAE,s assessment on whats needed to get it done with a J Frame. Pistols.......... these days RMR,d is the animal to cage!

Is that were you can't see things far away? Myself I can't see up close. Iron Sights I could forget shooting good with. I agree the Red Dot is the way to go without a doubt!

Jesuvuah
05-22-2011, 04:36 PM
I do not consider myself a great pistol marksman, but I just started 100yrd shooting with my 17 and in a mag I can get about half hits on a man size target. More practice for me, but it can be done. I have WTS sights on my glock

irishmike
05-22-2011, 06:28 PM
I can hit steel ay 100 yds with my G19 and WTS sights. It took me a mag to get dialed in. I was surprised that there was no holdover, just align the sites and smoothly press. I wish I had the opportunity for more long range pistol shooting, I could use the practice! I am especailly curious to see how far you can push a 9mm, and what distance it starts arcing down.

Sasquatch
05-22-2011, 06:42 PM
MT, No tricks necesary. An accurate weapon/ammo & sound fundamentals. "Advanced training is 'the basics' mastered"! S.

irishmike
05-22-2011, 06:45 PM
WTS sights?? Whats that?? On hitting at 100 yards or further i always aimed at the forehead straight on! In doing so, my thought was, if i am true........ even with bullet drop, i would get neck or COM shots everytime! Is my thinking wrong?? Gabe and other S.I. Instructors?? It works for me.........

Warren tactical sights... they're the bees knees man. Available at ost. I like the black rear tritium front.

Al Lipscomb
05-22-2011, 06:52 PM
There are several SI instructors near you ( http://www.suarezinternationalstore.com/instructors.aspx )

Its software not hardware you need to master.

Mt33
05-22-2011, 07:27 PM
I want to master my iron sights and wait for those red dots to improve. How much higher should I aim with a Glock 21 to get center mass hits at 100 yards? I have Trijicons on my glock now.

irishmike
05-22-2011, 07:34 PM
Thats why i trained with S. I., They are the Bees Knees!!

Me too, Front dyke only wishes they had the viral street cred that SI does!

Dorkface
05-22-2011, 07:38 PM
I want to master my iron sights and wait for those red dots to improve. How much higher should I aim with a Glock 21 to get center mass hits at 100 yards? I have Trijicons on my glock now.

not as much as you'd think. Aim for the head and you'll get com.

bae
05-22-2011, 07:39 PM
I want to master my iron sights and wait for those red dots to improve. How much higher should I aim with a Glock 21 to get center mass hits at 100 yards? I have Trijicons on my glock now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/External_ballistics

Work out a ballistics table for the round and zero you are using, and become familiar with it.

bae
05-22-2011, 07:46 PM
Thanks, i didn,t know about them. I will check it out............

I got some of those WSTs from One Source a while ago, best Glock investment I ever made.

chad newton
05-22-2011, 08:05 PM
As I understand it, the best trick for making consistent good hits with a Glock at 100+ yards is to get one fitted with the Trijicon RMR red dot sight.

There are several variations available at OST's Technical Services Division.
http://www.onesourcetactical.com/technicalservicesdivision.aspx

Here are some pictures of G19 with the RMR sight.
http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?65693-G19-RMR-Red-Dot...A-pictorial.&highlight=Trijicon+%2BRMREven with the rmr you still need training(proper si training). It is deffinetly easyer with the rmr and still possible with iorns. But without the training you arnt going to be as capable.

Agonizer
05-22-2011, 08:34 PM
Check this out.

http://youtu.be/xZ0fPnmkhBE

Agonizer
05-22-2011, 08:38 PM
And this:


http://youtu.be/GmMEg4y54Dk

Juju
05-22-2011, 09:59 PM
As others have said: It is software first and foremost.

But, there are improvements to hardware that will serve as an aid such as an RMR.

Two other items not mentioned are the "Lone Wolf - 3.5# Connector" and the "Lightning Strike - Titanium Safety Plunger".

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/lonewolf-glockconnector35.aspx

http://www.onesourcetactical.com/lightningstriketitaniumsafetyplunger.aspx

Practice with a standard set-up and then throw these two on and you will see the difference in trigger pull.

An RMR will be in the future for me. Not just for distance shooting but for NV purposes as well.

5thShock
05-23-2011, 05:34 AM
Just do it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_b3dAbKoJ0 And 200 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tied-t1fFsk&feature=related

kmussack
05-23-2011, 07:48 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DL-Ojrq0-0

Last summer we got to shoot on a military computer controlled Pop-Up range.
For pistol the targets were at 50 and 100 meter.
Some targets were programed to require multiple hits.
I used a G34 pistol.

Rgrey9
05-23-2011, 06:05 PM
A marine sniper and my best friend once told me that everything I need to concentrate on in shooting a long range was within my grasp. What he meant by that is dont worry about ballistics, wind, humidity ect....Concentrate on my shooting platform, grip, sight alignment and trigger control. Once I had that dialed in and under control the rest will fall into place and I would learn to adjust for the rest. That being said concentrating on the basics Ive been able to 90% of the time make shots out to 125yds with my glocks. Still got a long way to go to get to 200yds. Remember you can get a long way in you're practice by Dryfiring, focus on that front sight while squeezing the trigger and watch for any deflection when it breaks. Rgrey

EricD
05-23-2011, 07:50 PM
Before I discovered this forum I thought only Bob Munden could hit a long range target like that w/ a J-frame! Awesome fellas!

Jethro Bodine
05-23-2011, 07:54 PM
Just for fun I took my Colt Defender to the 50 yard range. Stock sights, ball ammo. I ran a whole box of ammo thru the gun and kept all of them under 5 in. Not bad for a 3 inch barrel. This was before I got my Glock, so I will need to try the 100 yd range next. But what all the others have said is true: trigger pull, breathing, grip, sight alignment. Sure you can have a crappy gun that won't print at 10 yards, but barring that, concentrate on the basics.

Mt33
05-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Maybe I should look at a drop chart. How much higher would you aim if you were shooting a Glock 21 at 200 yards?

I tried 125 with my J frame. The shots didnt even hit the target. I am going to dry fire with my CT laser until I can get smoother. For revolvers I usually pull and pause right before the hammer drops and pull the last part slow.

Mickey Rourke
05-25-2011, 06:39 PM
First time I ever shot at 100 with a handgun I used a MilSpec Springfield Armory.

I aimed where the head and shoulders meet on the target and got 8 shots in about 8" in the upper stomach area.

Since then I've done it with my Glocks, even my 26.

Dorkface
05-25-2011, 07:16 PM
Indeed. Most people think you have to aim MUCH higher then you really do.