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All-in fighting
04-25-2005, 06:06 AM
gents, many people think that you show a guy an edge of hand ,chin jab, knee----for 3-6 months----then he goes back to judo, karate , jiu jitsu, silat etc-----negative---yes, these things can be learned in a short period of time, but you HAVE TO TREAT "FAS" like a traditional martial art !it musted be mastered! i have been doing it for about 15 years now, and i still want to pare off more [ keep it bare to the bone] , make my chokes faster, axehands harder and faster, hit less teligraphically -- see demos or learning by seminar is ok, but full time training CAN ONLY MAKE YOUR "FAS" BETTER!---WHEN I TRAIN, i never get bored by these basics, people ask me how do you get you blows hard? how do you break in on a boxer like that? how do you stop double and single leg takedowns like that? because i stick to the basics!i make it so when i get grabbed in any way, i have a free hand, any 4-6 inch movement of my hand/forearm is going to turn into a penetrating edge of hand blow--because i practise 1 inch, 3 inch, 6 inch, 1 foot etc----the chin jab can be a shove, push, blow [ it all depends on the scenario] , the mount position of bjj is a great place to throw tiger claws, axe hands, heel of hands , stick you chin in his eye socket and press!----the commando system should be forever practised , developed to a higher degree unarmed, armed, 1,000's of reps of each throw, takedown , choke must occur [yes, bring advil] before someone can say , i do "fas" --!--it is only a two week course if you want to just know the motions--it can work, but like any other skill , imagine how much better you can be-----people look at carl, grover, kasper and think i will go to a seminar and learn this "quick commando fighting" ,well gents, these guys have been doing this stuff for decades, not months----if you do commando fighting for a greater amount of time, you will discover it has ANSWERS FOR MANY THINGS----ralph

michael
04-25-2005, 08:01 AM
I agree Ralph. I've trained for over 25 years in many things, but it was only when I got back to the "basics" and began training in WWII combatives that I learned how advanced the basics really are. There's a lot to be said for taking a few, simple techniques and perfecting them for the rest of your life.

Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
04-25-2005, 09:09 AM
OK, OK, I give up. I've been seeing this term around here repeatedly. What is a "chin jab"? No smart*ss replies like "a jab to the chin" please. :)

ronin308
04-25-2005, 09:19 AM
Crafty Dog- It is just an upward palm strike that hits right at the chin. Check out the right side of this pic:

http://www.univ.szczecin.pl/~maciejs/kombat/techniki_kombatu/kopniecia/kolana/knee_groin.jpg

Marc "Crafty Dog" Denny
04-25-2005, 09:53 AM
Hallelujah!

Thank you!

Lou Costello
04-25-2005, 11:05 AM
Anthony - since you are former RM, care to offer any comments?

PS: how are the wounds coming along?

All-in fighting
04-25-2005, 11:19 AM
marc, the chin jab is not just a palm strike to the chin . the hand is formed like a claw or as if one is shotputting . the fingers are clawed[ hence it is not a palm heel strike ] upon coming up centerline [ it only takes 6-8 inches to effect a knockout ] the blow knocks back the head of the opponent setting up for a cradle blow or edge of hand blow with the other hand , or the same hand can claw the eye as illustrated above-----the reason for the hand formation is 3 fold--it insures youare hitting with the wristbones located directly behind the base of palm, the hand will not slide off, if the guy turns his head the hand formation fits in with his jawline anyway and a finger still catches an eye----just a few salient points for those who do not have access from one of the sources and are attempting to learn from a book--ralph

James Sass
04-25-2005, 11:25 AM
Chinjab:

http://www.gutterfighting.org/GT2chinjab.html

http://www.gutterfighting.org/CJhandsoff.html

http://www.gutterfighting.org/CJcssd.html

http://www.gutterfighting.org/CJstyers.html

Tigerclaw variation:

http://www.gutterfighting.org/cestari_tigers_claw.html

All-in fighting
04-25-2005, 04:31 PM
the links james sent are very good, they show the chin jab as the hand was formated not the palm heel most people teach and say they are are teaching ww2 combatives--ralph

michael
04-25-2005, 04:42 PM
Any idea when the gutterfighting site will be back up?

All-in fighting
04-25-2005, 04:45 PM
we are working on it ! we have a great deal of practical exp. with this stuff [ policing , historical] and we want to provide the best info---ralph

michael
04-25-2005, 04:48 PM
we are working on it ! we have a great deal of practical exp. with this stuff [ policing , historical] and we want to provide the best info---ralph

Great! There's tons of good info there and I miss looking at it.