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John Kuhlman
03-22-2004, 12:45 PM
Well, I'm getting back into running. Since I'll be running either late at night or EARLY in the a.m. (3:30-4:00), I want to take more than just my house key and I.D. with me. I'll also have a young dog on-leash, so one hand will be tied up with that.

I started thinking about all of the stuff I "should" carry and it got ridiculous:

*handgun
*flashlight
*ID
*cell phone
*knife
*keys

You see where it's going?

I can stow the Glock in a SmartCarry and forgo the knife, but I'll still need a flashlight, ID, keys and cell phone. If I was going in broad daylight, I'd just take the keys and enjoy the sunshine. But, since I'm heading out when most troublemakers are doing their thing, I should at least have something. Perhaps just a knife, ID and cell phone?

Then, how do I carry all this stuff?

Any other tactical joggers out there?

Lawrence Keeney
03-22-2004, 01:17 PM
I'm too much of a lard butt to jog, but I do walk a lot in the evenings, and here is my loadout. :p

I have an old reliable Bagmaster fanny pack that I've had since they first came out. It's stinky but still works fine.

In it, I have Glock 26, ID, Surefire 6-P, housekeys and Spyderco Endura. It doesn't weigh much at all, and I'm pretty happy with it. I do know one guy who wears one of those packs that straps across your chest with some of the similar gear in it. Believe it is made by www.survivalsystems.com .

I don't carry a cell phone because reception here in the sticks for a flip type phone is next to zero.

GLR40
03-23-2004, 12:43 AM
though i dont jog i do bike and i carry a key on a cord around my neck, a kahr P9 in my bike tool bag along w/a cell phone, a cammilus maxx dagger folder clipped IWB, cap stun in a carrier on my bike frame, and a SF E2e in the evenings, if jogging i would get a bag to carry the excess, and carry the pistol,cell,OC on my waistband.

other than getting sweaty it works fine.

GR

Grey Wolf
03-23-2004, 01:00 AM
I was going to say carry a samll light in the other pocket of the smartcarry. Then GLR40 mentioned the cellphone...

I am torn between the two for your limited places to carry stuff; If it were me, I think I would carry the phone so I can call for back up. But why would I call if I can not ID what I am up against?

Have you tried a fanny pack? I have never ran with one but a co worker said he tried and it was very uncomfortable.

Sorry I did not help, but you got me to thinking!

Stay safe

Grey Wolf

John Kuhlman
03-23-2004, 06:18 AM
For those of you who have not run with a fanny pack...it's no big deal if you only have your keys and a cell phone. Add some weight and there is quite a bounce. Walking is a different event. You always have at least one foot on the ground. When you're running (not fast-shuffling like some joggers), there are points in your stride when both feet are airborne...hence the bounce.

For those non-runners...there are a lot of issues to consider. Anything in your pockets or clipped to your waist will begin to rub against the contact point on your skin. Not pleasant if you're putting any distance in.

NYC-M4
03-23-2004, 09:14 AM
I use a Sahara Strider chest pouch when I jog. I put my G26 or my Chief along with a cellphone and a Surefire G2. It works well. People think its a fancy CD carrier.

Vig Creed
03-23-2004, 09:47 AM
All you really "need" is an Airweight S&W subbie in your pocket or a G19 in an IWB holster.

myke
03-23-2004, 09:55 AM
I think its a liitle extreme to carry a firearm while you run.

I live in L.A in the not so nice area and the only thing that has ever hassled me while I ran was the dogs. Numerous dogs. Now I carry a folding knife in my waist but thats it. Havent had to use it which is great. I dont carry anything else on me, no keys no wallet. If someone ever was to come up to me assuming they want money i would just tell them "I have no pockets buddy, my stuff is at home". If you have a fanny pack thats means you have something in there. If he just wants to fight or be stupid then you either keep on running or fight. Yes they would be surprised when you pull out a gun but why put your self in that situation. I think a fanny pack with a gun flashlight and all those other things is a little silly. I think that if something was to go down and then the cops came and they empty your fanny pack filled with tactical goodies your going to be in some $*** because it looks like you were running around looking for a fight. I am not saying you guys are scared but if you must carry all this stuff because your area is that bad I would reccomend driving to the local H.S or college track. I would rather avoid all the crap altogether than have to potentially shoot some lowlife who wants your wallet or over jogging around the neighbor hood.

John Kuhlman
03-23-2004, 11:24 AM
I think its a liitle extreme to carry a firearm while you run.

LOL...Myke, you're right. Just for the record, I am not one of those types who thinks a gun is the solution for every problem. I don't live in Compton either, so it's not like my area is this crime-ridden infestation of a slum.

Due to the time of day that I go running, I do need a cell phone. My wife is getting ready for work at that time and if something should happen to me (fall, twisted ankle, etc.), I will need to get in contact with her ASAP. We have two young children that cannot be left unattended.

A flashlight is handy, but not essential, at that time of day.

The blaster is not essential either, but as more and more pit bulls become family pets and decide to get out and roam the neighborhood at night, I have some concerns. This is becoming an issue. Not so much for me, but because I run with a young lab.

I'm finding from most of the responses from non-runners is to carry a Howitzer IWB.

What I'm looking for are some ideas for carrying some essentials while running.

RMF
03-23-2004, 12:47 PM
If you don't carry all the time - Is it really Tactical?

Must be nice to know when you will need a weapon. If I knew that I wouldn't have to carry anytime because I'd avoid being where I'd need it .

If you only need a gun once in your life - you have to carry all the time since you don't know when that time will be.

myke
03-23-2004, 02:57 PM
I understand where you are coming from. I think you kind of just answered your own questions in your last post. Cell phone etc.

Alot of people around this same area run with pepper spray for the dogs, there are plenty of strong enough brands to fend off a dog and there light weight. Just like someone else mentioned a gun in a fanny would be kind of annoying bouncing around. I dont carry pepper spray because I feel the dog might get to me before I spray him. But if he does hes gonna let go after I get him with the knife. and If hes that determined not to let go then hes done for. But how many dogs are really that evil. Most of them when I have ran they will run up to you or just try to scare you. I have been bit once many years ago by a mutt lab type dog, not while i was running. He just bit my leg and ran away before i even saw or heard him and this was at 12-1am walking from a friends house.

Pitbulls are a stereo typed dog. Just like the many sterotypes of different ethnic backgrounds. I disagree with that one. But lets not turn this into the "pitbulls are evil thread."

RMF- If you dont have to shoot someone why put yourself in the situtation that "you might have too". Are you gonna carry at church too because you dont know if something might happen there? there are many legitimate reasons and places to carry but not all the time just because "you never know when....."

RMF
03-23-2004, 05:13 PM
RMF- If you dont have to shoot someone why put yourself in the situtation that "you might have too". Are you gonna carry at church too because you dont know if something might happen there? there are many legitimate reasons and places to carry but not all the time just because "you never know when....."


Yes, I carry at home, at church, etc. I have a friend who is alive today ( as well as others) because he was carrying at church! And there are other examples all over in church, jogging, at home, etc.
Do you carry a spare tire? Do you expect to have a Flat? You never know. There are places where the risk is low - but I don't know of many places that are ALWAYS safe. We had a woman killed on the lawn of the police department. There is always a risk unless you can tell the future.

I don't go looking for trouble, I have been very good at avoiding it for a long time. But i was a Boy Scout and a Marine - always prepared. I learned quickly in VietNam that looks can be decisiving and so can people. It is best to be careful and suspious than to be too trusting. As someone on this forum quotes in his signature - Be polite, be professional, and be prepared to kill everyone you meet. - You'll live a lot longer that way. If you expect the worse - then most of the time you get a lot of pleasant surprises when you are wrong!!!

Being a little careful and alert you can avoid most problems. But be prepared if you can't.

GLR40
03-24-2004, 01:50 AM
i agree w/RMF, i too carry all the time, wife too, we both have a CCW. better to have and not need than need and not have imho.

if that makes me paranoid, well, i guess i am then. wife too.

oh well, it makes me worry less so if nothing else thats one plus.

GR

InTheBlack
04-10-2004, 03:42 AM
>>
The blaster is not essential either, but as more and more pit bulls become family pets and
decide to get out and roam the neighborhood at night, I have some concerns. This is
becoming an issue. Not so much for me, but because I run with a young lab.
>>

So your plan is to use your dog as a disposable survival tool-- let the pit bull kill your dog while you get away?

Look into canes & sticks. Find a reasonable length with a weighted head; better yet a sword cane.

If a full length cane is hard for you to run with, then break it down into two shorter sticks with a push & twist connector; run with one in each hand.

There is at least one professional grade flashlight with pepper spray built in. Rechargable.

Or the ASP baton with their flashlight attached to the handle end (makes it ~6" longer).

There's also a south African herdsmans' tool- ??? Sambak ??? basically a whippy tapering thing that's long enough to reach out. But its flexible enough that you could probably strap it over your shoulder and tuck it into your belt. Put a reflective pennon on the top end so it seems to have a passive safety purpose.

Al Lipscomb
04-10-2004, 07:20 AM
I don't jog or run due to a lack of an ACL in one knee but if you are going to need to carry anything I would think some kind of small backpack would be the best option.

Runners do get attacked and depending on the motives of the attackers it won't matter if they lack cash. Running away seems simple until you understand that you are a few miles along and winded and they are going to get you in the sprint.

Carry what you can when you can. Consider OC, a good knife, a cell phone, flashlight and a noise maker. Select what you can carry and know how to use it.

Try to not be too predictable, don't run the exact same route every day. Watch ahead and give yourself time to react. Be aware of what is going on around you. Watch out for cars and bikes that may be following and have a plan to escape.

gino
04-10-2004, 01:20 PM
When I was running 30-50 miles a week I usually carried OC spray & a Gerber Guardian clipped to the waistband of my running shorts. As I would leave the house I would pick up a couple of rocks from my driveway, most dogs have a fear of people throwing rocks at them, just the motion of "winding up" to throw usually caused dogs to back down. Don't know how that would work with pitbulls etc. but it did work with most of the neighborhood dogs. In all the years that I ran I only had to use the OC twice (dogs) & the Gerber never. Never had any hassles with two legged predators, just lucky I guess. :D
gino

John Kuhlman
04-10-2004, 04:42 PM
Just so know one thinks I'm making this stuff up: About a half-mile from here, a pit bull charged from its back yard through an open gate and mauled a Doberman that was walking down the street. The Dobie was put in the vet's office for five days. This happened two weeks ago.

The pit bull is one I pet every weekend in our dog obedience class.

So your plan is to use your dog as a disposable survival tool-- let the pit bull kill your dog while you get away?

I don't recall implying that.

John

InTheBlack
04-13-2004, 01:58 PM
Ahhh, OK, so you meant that the lab was in more danger than you. I was reading it late at night...

You could also put a stiff spiked collar on your dog to give some protection against a bite.

John Kuhlman
04-13-2004, 05:15 PM
Ahhh, OK, so you meant that the lab was in more danger than you. I was reading it late at night...

Yup. Labs are very gregarious dogs and even more so when they're puppies. Since I can't teach him to shoot or any Dog Foo, it's up to me to beat, pepper spray, slash or shoot the territorial aggressive pit bull.

Just because I hunt every fall and spring doesn't mean I enjoy killing things. I'd rather silently crack an aggressive dog on the head or ribs, or spray him, than put a bullet in his brain box and announce my presence to the neighborhood with a loud BANG.

mikey177
04-13-2004, 06:24 PM
...I do know one guy who wears one of those packs that straps across your chest with some of the similar gear in it. Believe it is made by www.survivalsystems.com ...

Hi Lawrence. I'm interested in what this front-pack looks like, but the URL you cited doesn't seem to correspond to the company that makes this product.

The link sent me to "staffing specialists in electronics for the communications, semiconductor, analog and power industries." Cold you please provide the correct link. Thanks.

akbound
06-06-2004, 02:33 PM
I think its a liitle extreme to carry a firearm while you run.

I think it's a little extreme to carry a gun at all. But extreme measures are sometimes required for extreme events!



I am not saying you guys are scared but.....

Of course we're not scared......of anything other than kryptonite?!?



I would rather avoid all the crap altogether than have to potentially shoot some lowlife.......

ME TOO! But sometimes the choice isn't ours.



it looks like you were running around looking for a fight.....

Not looking for one now either! But if I followed your logic I wouldn't need a CCW at all. Just like home owner's insurance and house fires. Or wearing seat belts and auto accidents. If I had advance notice that the need existed.......I'd just avoid the event! :)

Dave

Driftwood
06-06-2004, 03:21 PM
I carry a handgun about 95% of the time, and jogging is not one of them. Tried it once in a fanny pack and could not stand it, even though I wear the fanny pack 100% of the time when I go ridding my bike (never know when you may ride into a marijuana field!). When I run I carry the smallest Asp they make, I think it is 16" expanded. I had to use it one time on a big chow dog-sure am glad I had it because for some reason that dog had it out for me. Most of the guys I know do carry while jogging I guess it is just a personal preference.

John Kuhlman
06-06-2004, 03:24 PM
I've settled on the ASP for convenience.

akbound
06-06-2004, 03:59 PM
We lived in Alaska for five years. When I ran much of the time I carried a 4" Md.629 with 328 grain hardcast loads. It was in a shoulder holster on a wide nylon support strap. (The exceptions being when I ran on post, Ft. Richardson, or in town.) But whenever I ran out where we lived the gun was there. In truth it was there as much for stray dogs and moose as it was for bear. Was it inconvenient? Maybe, but it was an inconvenience I chose to live with rather than being unarmed.

It's a matter of whether or not you actually believe there might be a need for the firearm......or not. If you don't believe you need it, leave it at home. It's an individual decision we all make every day when we decide to carry......or not! We weigh the risks as measured against the possible consequences, and we make the decision. It really is that straight-forward.

Dave

P.S. For someone that doesn't believe moose represent a threat. More Alaskans are killed or injured by moose than are by bears. (Ever see a cow moose with calf "trapped" between two steep snow banks as you 'round the curve?)

AZgunstudent
06-10-2004, 03:39 PM
I run a couple of miles every second morning, though it's after daybreak. I use a size small Galco* waist pack stuffed with a J-frame .38, a speed strip of spare ammo, a small wallet containing my DL and carry permit, cell phone, and a lone house key. The gun goes in the holster section, and the rest in the front zipper pocket. I could probably squeeze a small Surefire light in there, too, if I tried. I suppose I could clip a Spyderdo knife to the belt strap if I felt like I needed it, but I haven't done so thus far.

I don't find the waist pack terribly uncomfortable, though I normally only run a couple of miles before work. It doesn't bounce or move around on my particular body. Total comfort is secondary to me, however, since I'd feel a lot more uncomfortable without a gun.

Mike

* I work for Galco, so don't take this as an unbiased product recommendation. Other company's products would likely work similarly, I just have no experience with them.

Crucible
06-12-2004, 07:19 AM
This company makes a jogging/active sport carry pack:

http://www.action-direct.com/257.htm

Pretty inexpensive, and looks like it would do the job fairly well for many activities.

For general carry, I'm considering trying their Defender bellyband...seems to be a pretty decent fit/function/form for my compact 1911. http://www.action-direct.com/defender.htm

Cruc, not affiliated with that company and YMMV, Cruc

John Kuhlman
06-14-2004, 11:51 AM
Hey, just so people don't think I'm making this stuff up about pit bulls in Las Vegas:

Two pit bulls killed in attack on four people (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-other/2004/jun/14/517015197.html)

and
Pit bull owner fined in fatal attack on dog (http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/lv-crime/2004/jun/14/517014465.html)

Notice the closeness in dates of the events.

mlhoward
07-20-2004, 04:46 PM
here is a link:

http://www.action-direct.com/257b.htm

This is a chest pouch that may help you out...

TonyM
07-20-2004, 08:14 PM
I run at 0430-0500 and my load out is: Colt Mustang .380. Benchmade folder, SF E2D, Cell Phone, and keys. I carry all this in a small fanny pack except the E2D which is in my hand. I make sure the fanny pack is over my shirt so it don't rub my skin. I was afraid all the weight would bounce too much but it has not bothered me yet. I did try to run with a Colt Commander once, that did bounce a lot.

jacketch
07-29-2004, 03:38 PM
From myke
I think its a liitle extreme to carry a firearm while you run
I think dying because I was unable to defend myself effectivly is a bit extreme. Do you have a concealed carry permit?

I don't run (hate the term jog) but I do cycle and find that even the best spray may not stop a vicious dog. A cane is a good defensive weapon unless there are multiple dogs. A knife is a good weapon but the effective distance is not good for 'dog' fighting. A firearm is the best weapon in regard to dogs and for humans too.

Gabriel Suarez
07-29-2004, 06:21 PM
Ok, now don't you dare laugh. I bought a Thunderwear rig. I've been working with it for a few weeks now. Concealment is great. Forget about carrying your Glock 35 that way, but a snubby disappears.

I've been wearing it on my runs (although with bad knees and back its more of a tactical shuffle these days). It carries very securely and low profile and the draw is not too bad.

I suppose carrying an ASP is a good idea, but if I had to pick, I'd go with the snubby.

As far as not carrying while training...going for a 3 miler, or to the gym for weights is no different than any other time.

TEAK
07-29-2004, 06:42 PM
Gabe,
Its funny you bring this up! I started jogging a few weeks ago to get ready for the academy and havenít been able to find a way to carry without it flopping around and getting out of control. I tried my ultralite 38 but in the pocket it was still not doable. The solution I came up with was getting something like a kel-tec 32 or 380 with one of those frame clips and just clipping it to my jogging shorts and tying them tight. I might give the Thunderwear a try though.

Ragsbo
07-29-2004, 08:57 PM
I run on a treadmill in my own home, so I have plenty of options to turn to. In my neck of the woods, running on our road is a death wish come true (narrow blacktop with many hills and people who drive it like Daytona 500). Also it is available anytime I want, rain or shine, hot or cold, light or dark. I set the incline at 2% and run ar 5.8 to 6 mph. Right now I do 3.5 miles 2 or 3 times a week. I got a good set up. Have a TV/VCR/DVD player, stereo/cassette/cd player so I can either watch something or listen to my choice of music. My daughter has made me some CD's with fast beat music to run to (Charlie Daniels Band). Some say that running on a treadmill and running out side are not the same, but it is good exercise and I would not get it if it had to be done out side. Plus I make my yearly Pt qualification and semi-TRT certification just fine.