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chad newton
08-12-2022, 01:10 PM
Iím think about setting up a new war belt, what is needed now.....

LawDog
08-12-2022, 01:24 PM
Nobody is going to be able to tell you what size shoes to wear.

chad newton
08-12-2022, 01:39 PM
Nobody is going to be able to tell you what size shoes to wear.
Hah, as the name intended, it’s not a peace or range belt...

steve_k
08-12-2022, 01:48 PM
This is what I set up for RFG-3 several years ago after reviewing quite a few threads on here.... Sits by my bed with either a suppressed SBR or my LE6920. Has been dawned a couple times on late night discussions with street racers that no longer come in to the neighborhood.

Oh, guess I have either 4 or 6 mags, plus what's in the rifle and pistol...

63310

Dorkface
08-12-2022, 02:22 PM
What is the mission? Will you have a bag with extras? How much can you carry before the weight effects you? Are your mags 20 or 30 rounds? 556 or 308? How much trouble is expected? So on and so forth....

chad newton
08-12-2022, 02:23 PM
223 and lots of trouble.... I’m painting, I will put some more in a bit....

chad newton
08-12-2022, 04:00 PM
Ok, it needs a good loadout 4-6 mags for cover and return fire, has to work with armor and 3 day style pack. One reason I think for that purpose the war belt is best. I set one up while we were talking about it before I went to team tactics and I never used it other then 1 rifle class because I didn’t like what I set up. The one Gabe was selling, I thing hsg, with taco mags pouches would fit the bill. Maybe 2 double mag pouches, a double pistol mag, trama kit, dump pouch, holster with retention and no locks.... Thats what I’m thinking....

chad newton
08-12-2022, 04:24 PM
This is what I set up for RFG-3 several years ago after reviewing quite a few threads on here.... Sits by my bed with either a suppressed SBR or my LE6920. Has been dawned a couple times on late night discussions with street racers that no longer come in to the neighborhood.

Oh, guess I have either 4 or 6 mags, plus what's in the rifle and pistol...

63310
Like that one...

chad newton
08-12-2022, 04:42 PM
Now I’m looking at his, singles like that make sense. Keep the proflile alittle more narrow. Could keep loaded mags in pack or moled to outside. Straight battle mode loadout... I think the biggest difference is with a belt vs chest rig you can stay more modular with load out. Nothing against chest rigs, but when you add pack and armor you can strip layers if you need to via rally points or necessity.

Brent Yamamoto
08-12-2022, 05:59 PM
Single stack. Double is like being pregnant.

4 max. Remember that stuff on the belt is for speed. If you need more they can go in a trim pack on your back. Or run in combo with a chest rig.

Lighter and trimmer equals greater mobility. Greater mobility keeps you alive.

steve_k
08-12-2022, 06:20 PM
That setup just so happens to be what SI was selling back in 2014 when I bought it run at Doug Little's RFG3 class. Since then I have switched from the drop leg holster to belt mount for fast on/off capability. The med pouch is behind the dump pouch, although I have never added anything to it or the radio pouch, perhaps I should get off my a$$ and find a med kit for it. The belt is adjusted so its tight to my body and the suspenders really are not carrying any of the weight, but holds it at a good height while I buckle up. It worked out great for class with running around, jumping up and grabbing the rafters at the range to do pull-ups, walking around the forest in my neighborhood for some shooting expeditions, and a couple times at night when strange things were afoot. Also did try it out with a Maxpedition 25L bag (Falcon2) one time when setting up for some local disturbances. It was still a comfortable set up with the war belt on and back pack with 5 or 6 extra AR mags, an extra G19 for my wife, another handful of Glock mags, med kit, and a couple bottles of water.

chad newton
08-12-2022, 06:43 PM
Cool, thank bro.

chad newton
08-12-2022, 07:16 PM
Single stack. Double is like being pregnant.

4 max. Remember that stuff on the belt is for speed. If you need more they can go in a trim pack on your back. Or run in combo with a chest rig.

Lighter and trimmer equals greater mobility. Greater mobility keeps you alive.
Thank you...

chad newton
08-12-2022, 07:18 PM
That setup just so happens to be what SI was selling back in 2014 when I bought it run at Doug Little's RFG3 class. Since then I have switched from the drop leg holster to belt mount for fast on/off capability. The med pouch is behind the dump pouch, although I have never added anything to it or the radio pouch, perhaps I should get off my a$$ and find a med kit for it. The belt is adjusted so its tight to my body and the suspenders really are not carrying any of the weight, but holds it at a good height while I buckle up. It worked out great for class with running around, jumping up and grabbing the rafters at the range to do pull-ups, walking around the forest in my neighborhood for some shooting expeditions, and a couple times at night when strange things were afoot. Also did try it out with a Maxpedition 25L bag (Falcon2) one time when setting up for some local disturbances. It was still a comfortable set up with the war belt on and back pack with 5 or 6 extra AR mags, an extra G19 for my wife, another handful of Glock mags, med kit, and a couple bottles of water.
My conglomeration that I put together also has a drop leg holster. I think you did the right thing, I want to find one that still sits low but not all the way down to clear the armor.

psalms23dad
08-12-2022, 08:03 PM
Ok so dumb question.
If you need a war belt like that why don't you need armor as well? Wouldn't a plate carrier simplify the issue?

chad newton
08-12-2022, 08:19 PM
Ok so dumb question.
If you need a war belt like that why don't you need armor as well? Wouldn't a plate carrier simplify the issue?
Multiple layers, that way your main loadout is separate from plate carrier. I don’t know if that’s good of bad other then you have a choice to use or not to use the armor. Plan would be to use armor too..

Dorkface
08-12-2022, 08:23 PM
Ok so dumb question.
If you need a war belt like that why don't you need armor as well? Wouldn't a plate carrier simplify the issue?

I can't find it but it was either Greg or Sua that had an article on them. Might have been on the old blog too. From what I remember the long and the short of it was for unmounted stuff the belt is a better option because it distributes the weight better and is less taxing on the body with the weight on the hips. A chest rig was the better option for mounted work when jumping in and out of trucks because its easier to sit and you don't have to support the weight all the time on your own. If combining them try to keep more of the gear on the belt and off the armor for the same reasons. Hopefully Greg or Sua will comment.

chad newton
08-12-2022, 08:24 PM
This could be anything from patrol to recon, anything where you may need a big kit.... Maybe you want to Ruck 20 miles to where you are going to recon, would you wear armor all the time? I doubt it, this is where everything would be out the window and people are running operations.

Dorkface
08-12-2022, 08:44 PM
You might be interested in a couple of videos from Garand Thumb on Youtube. Specifically his videos Basics of RECCE and Recon Kit and Basics of Urban Combat Survival and Assault Pack Setup.

steve_k
08-12-2022, 08:49 PM
Found one of the threads I reviewed when doing mine, some Sua input too.

http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?119725-Battle-belt-setup-for-SPR&highlight=Battle+belt

chad newton
08-12-2022, 09:00 PM
You might be interested in a couple of videos from Garand Thumb on Youtube. Specifically his videos Basics of RECCE and Recon Kit and Basics of Urban Combat Survival and Assault Pack Setup.
I will check him out...

apamburn
08-12-2022, 09:14 PM
I think a war belt that is intended to work with a chest rig or plate carrier is entirely different than a standalone war belt.

War belt is just another name and take on the LBE that has existed since the m1956 LCE, m1967 MLCE, ALICE LC2 carriage systems, British PLCE system, USAF H Gear harness, etc.

A dedicated belt rig distributes weight better disperses heat better, and carries better in rural or dismounted contexts.

It also carries much more than a belt meant to be sometimes used in conjunction with a PC.

So we need to make that distinction when on this topic.

I think the lighter war belt concept as part of a PC system needs to be vehicle friendly and slim.

For the rural patrolling option the USAF gen 2 H Gear kit is actually really nice imo.

chad newton
08-12-2022, 10:40 PM
Cool, I will do some research this weekend. I’m bring it up because we havnt been going over any of this stuff lately and if new or improved ways of supporting equipment is out there I want to check it out. Never know if when you will need it, and one of the biggest things we all should do is train with our stuff to make sure it works.

chad newton
08-12-2022, 10:45 PM
That setup just so happens to be what SI was selling back in 2014 when I bought it run at Doug Little's RFG3 class. Since then I have switched from the drop leg holster to belt mount for fast on/off capability. The med pouch is behind the dump pouch, although I have never added anything to it or the radio pouch, perhaps I should get off my a$$ and find a med kit for it. The belt is adjusted so its tight to my body and the suspenders really are not carrying any of the weight, but holds it at a good height while I buckle up. It worked out great for class with running around, jumping up and grabbing the rafters at the range to do pull-ups, walking around the forest in my neighborhood for some shooting expeditions, and a couple times at night when strange things were afoot. Also did try it out with a Maxpedition 25L bag (Falcon2) one time when setting up for some local disturbances. It was still a comfortable set up with the war belt on and back pack with 5 or 6 extra AR mags, an extra G19 for my wife, another handful of Glock mags, med kit, and a couple bottles of water.
When I did all the big classes I just ran either the sneaky bag or my us palms chest rig. It worked fine but I want to see about the belts, because mine fucking sucked that I put together. I used it for one rifle class here with Uli and it worked but left a lot to be desired...

chad newton
08-12-2022, 10:53 PM
I think a war belt that is intended to work with a chest rig or plate carrier is entirely different than a standalone war belt.

War belt is just another name and take on the LBE that has existed since the m1956 LCE, m1967 MLCE, ALICE LC2 carriage systems, British PLCE system, USAF H Gear harness, etc.

A dedicated belt rig distributes weight better disperses heat better, and carries better in rural or dismounted contexts.

It also carries much more than a belt meant to be sometimes used in conjunction with a PC.

So we need to make that distinction when on this topic.

I think the lighter war belt concept as part of a PC system needs to be vehicle friendly and slim.

For the rural patrolling option the USAF gen 2 H Gear kit is actually really nice imo.
I did a quick search and just pouch and a different gen of harness came up but I will keep looking.

SoldierofTheLaw
08-13-2022, 04:22 AM
Check out Esstac. Both of my belts are setup with their pouches and one of my setups uses their 2 belt system. Lightweight and solid.

coastalcop
08-13-2022, 06:19 AM
My conglomeration that I put together also has a drop leg holster. I think you did the right thing, I want to find one that still sits low but not all the way down to clear the armor.


safariland ubl. select mid or low. unless you are running a rappel harness you want a rig that always keeps your pistol on the same plane it sits at when standing. i use the quick release on my ubl. it has the advantage of being quickly swappable for a different holster platform as needed, Or pulled off my belt and clipped to my nightstand at end of shift for a non migrating platform if something goes bump in the house . Any of the rigs that allow the holster to follow the leg will generally screw up a draw in positions other than standing. Mid and low models will generally clear body armor or waist straps on a backpack, select based on torso length, length of barrel on pistol. ( low ride and long barrel will generally ground out on the carseat when seated if youre not long torsoed) Just my experience, and worth what you paid for it. ;)

ubl seen here. https://safariland.com/products/cubl-vertical-belt-loop

quick release here. https://safariland.com/products/quick-locking-system-kit-23136

apamburn
08-13-2022, 06:33 AM
safariland ubl. select mid or low. unless you are running a rappel harness you want a rig that always keeps your pistol on the same plane it sits at when standing. i use the quick release on my ubl. it has the advantage of being quickly swappable for a different holster platform as needed, Or pulled off my belt and clipped to my nightstand at end of shift for a non migrating platform if something goes bump in the house . Any of the rigs that allow the holster to follow the leg will generally screw up a draw in positions other than standing. Mid and low models will generally clear body armor or waist straps on a backpack, select based on torso length, length of barrel on pistol. ( low ride and long barrel will generally ground out on the carseat when seated if youre not long torsoed) Just my experience, and worth what you paid for it. ;)

ubl seen here. https://safariland.com/products/cubl-vertical-belt-loop

quick release here. https://safariland.com/products/quick-locking-system-kit-23136

A similar system I have used is the Blackhawk quick disconnect system and any of their "duty" holsters - T-series (with which I have no experience), SERPA (which is disliked these days), or omnivore (which doesn't retain nearly well enough).

Combine that with a jacket slot belt loop which rides a little lower and you get the same effect.

If you have to go drop leg keep it high and tight but like CC said....I think drop leg is best left to the graveyard.

Ragsbo
08-13-2022, 06:58 AM
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If you have to go drop leg keep it high and tight but like CC said....I think drop leg is best left to the graveyard.[/QUOTE]

I hate drop leg holsters. The only way I could stand one was to take the top strap off, raise the holster as high as I could so the bottom strap could just go around the upper thigh. Still got it low but not flopping on my leg

apamburn
08-13-2022, 07:36 AM
I hate drop leg holsters. The only way I could stand one was to take the top strap off, raise the holster as high as I could so the bottom strap could just go around the upper thigh. Still got it low but not flopping on my leg

Agreed. They are simply terrible.

Those early 00s late 90s SWAT and GWOT drop leg rigs dangling at the knee are super cringe but I know we were just using what we had.

chad newton
08-13-2022, 11:04 AM
You might be interested in a couple of videos from Garand Thumb on Youtube. Specifically his videos Basics of RECCE and Recon Kit and Basics of Urban Combat Survival and Assault Pack Setup.
Lol... That dudes pretty funny but super good at articulating good information. I didnít know this but my kid was already watching some of his videos. Heís pretty good compared to the rest of the bullshit on here.

Greg Nichols
08-13-2022, 11:36 AM
I can't find it but it was either Greg or Sua that had an article on them. Might have been on the old blog too. From what I remember the long and the short of it was for unmounted stuff the belt is a better option because it distributes the weight better and is less taxing on the body with the weight on the hips. A chest rig was the better option for mounted work when jumping in and out of trucks because its easier to sit and you don't have to support the weight all the time on your own. If combining them try to keep more of the gear on the belt and off the armor for the same reasons. Hopefully Greg or Sua will comment.

We've written on gear a number times, but you pretty much hit it

Greg Nichols
08-13-2022, 12:00 PM
Here's a thread about kit: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?130805-A-New-Perspective-on-CQB

chad newton
08-15-2022, 01:31 PM
I think I have figured out what would work for a lot of applications. Light battle belt, pistol, 2 pistol mags, 2 rifle mags, trama kit dump pouch. I think I have settled on a company, I think I will try out esstac. I got a voodoo tactical 3 day to see how it works in conjunction with armor plus 3 mags or same type chest rig. Load 3 day pack according to mission. Esstac stuff looks pretty good actually, I’m not convinced that the Velcro 2 system belts are a good idea yet. I like the idea of being able to move around the belt and not have it stuck to you. I’m going to keep looking at different stuff. Whatever I end up with I will post.

chad newton
08-15-2022, 01:36 PM
safariland ubl. select mid or low. unless you are running a rappel harness you want a rig that always keeps your pistol on the same plane it sits at when standing. i use the quick release on my ubl. it has the advantage of being quickly swappable for a different holster platform as needed, Or pulled off my belt and clipped to my nightstand at end of shift for a non migrating platform if something goes bump in the house . Any of the rigs that allow the holster to follow the leg will generally screw up a draw in positions other than standing. Mid and low models will generally clear body armor or waist straps on a backpack, select based on torso length, length of barrel on pistol. ( low ride and long barrel will generally ground out on the carseat when seated if youre not long torsoed) Just my experience, and worth what you paid for it. ;)

ubl seen here. https://safariland.com/products/cubl-vertical-belt-loop

quick release here. https://safariland.com/products/quick-locking-system-kit-23136
Which holster are you running? The als? Iím wondering if they have one with just trigger guard retention?

coastalcop
08-16-2022, 06:41 AM
Which holster are you running? The als? I’m wondering if they have one with just trigger guard retention?

Yes I use an ALS type for RDS pistol in the "new" composite they make it out of. Safariland, and 5.11 make one with a trigger guard release, the model number escapes me right now.

apamburn
08-16-2022, 07:48 AM
I like the idea of being able to move around the belt and not have it stuck to you. I’m going to keep looking at different stuff. Whatever I end up with I will post.

I think you will find this to be better in theory than in application.

If your belt isn't fixed you will find out that rapid movement will cause it to move horizontally and even that it could move vertically.

At the very least this will result in fouled draws and magazine access issues as items will be moved around, even if by only small amounts.

But maybe you will find a way around that. I'd be interested to know.

My "war belt" or "battle belt" is meant to always be worn with my plate carrier. I have

Holster
2 pistol mags
1 rifle fast mag pouch
Dump pouch
100 round SAW pouch as accessory pouch
Double mag pouch for radio, smoke, or 2 more mags if I want.

PC carries 3 mags and an IFAK.

Papa
08-16-2022, 08:19 AM
I think you will find this to be better in theory than in application.

If your belt isn't fixed you will find out that rapid movement will cause it to move horizontally and even that it could move vertically.

At the very least this will result in fouled draws and magazine access issues as items will be moved around, even if by only small amounts.


Watched an actively fighting suicidal subject peel the gunbelt off a city cop before Redi Kilowatt and I came to the rescue. You don't want that belt going anywhere. I used a velcro-faced trouser belt with a duty belt cinched up tight, carrying 3-4 pistol mags, pistol, taser, two sets of cuffs, flashlight, radio, nightstick, spare flashlight, knife. And I replaced the trouser belt whenever the velcro started to fail.

chad newton
08-16-2022, 08:35 AM
Yes I use an ALS type for RDS pistol in the "new" composite they make it out of. Safariland, and 5.11 make one with a trigger guard release, the model number escapes me right now.
I just was wondering what retention.

chad newton
08-16-2022, 08:36 AM
I think you will find this to be better in theory than in application.

If your belt isn't fixed you will find out that rapid movement will cause it to move horizontally and even that it could move vertically.

At the very least this will result in fouled draws and magazine access issues as items will be moved around, even if by only small amounts.

But maybe you will find a way around that. I'd be interested to know.

My "war belt" or "battle belt" is meant to always be worn with my plate carrier. I have

Holster
2 pistol mags
1 rifle fast mag pouch
Dump pouch
100 round SAW pouch as accessory pouch
Double mag pouch for radio, smoke, or 2 more mags if I want.

PC carries 3 mags and an IFAK.
Thank you...

Johnny C!
08-16-2022, 01:41 PM
I used a velcro-faced trouser belt with a duty belt cinched up tight ...

This is the way.

chad newton
08-16-2022, 01:48 PM
I was checking out all of them, all the belts are pretty much like that now. One of the benifits I see in that style is keeping everything more streamlined. You don’t have a giant padded bulky belt, and everything stays where it’s supposed to. I would be similar to running a belt through your belt loops, and keeping necessary gear on person and chest rig support or plate carrier support. I’m still thinking....

chad newton
08-16-2022, 01:51 PM
The only issue with what guys are offering is that I can see is that some are setup for their style of training programs or gun games. But, I do see advantages with some military and special forces guys have come up with. A lot of those guys have run a similar loadout with all of their deployments. This is why I’m looking, I don’t want to just buy a bunch of shit that I don’t need...

Johnny C!
08-16-2022, 01:56 PM
Which holster are you running? The als? I’m wondering if they have one with just trigger guard retention?

The Safariland ALS holsters retain on the
ejection port of the slide, at least for Glocks.

Edit to add: This is for my G34's with TLR-II's.

chad newton
08-16-2022, 01:58 PM
You have guys still that arnt using dump pouches.... That thinking makes no sense to me, where the fuck do you resupply mags in a non government backed scenario. What it’s come to is how cool shit looks and how fast can you speed load....

chad newton
08-16-2022, 01:58 PM
The Safariland ALS holsters retain on the
ejection port of the slide, at least for Glocks.
Cool.

coastalcop
08-17-2022, 05:50 AM
The Safariland ALS holsters retain on the
ejection port of the slide, at least for Glocks.

I should add to this that unless its a holster designed for the RDS you cannot modify a non rds als holster for rds use. Thankfully in the last few years that is no longer needed as Safariland and others have created specific RDS retention holsters and they are commonly available. Beats the days of modifying SLS holsters for RDS use.

Papa
08-17-2022, 08:19 AM
I should add to this that unless its a holster designed for the RDS you cannot modify a non rds als holster for rds use. Thankfully in the last few years that is no longer needed as Safariland and others have created specific RDS retention holsters and they are commonly available. Beats the days of modifying SLS holsters for RDS use.

Or for use with the TLR remote switch!

Greg Nichols
08-17-2022, 09:42 AM
Yes I use an ALS type for RDS pistol in the "new" composite they make it out of. Safariland, and 5.11 make one with a trigger guard release, the model number escapes me right now.

I'm running the Safariland GLS on my belt currently with kydex pistol pouches ◊2, and Safariland kydex rifle pouches ◊3. HSGI bleeder kit at 0600, all on a 2 piece duty belt (velcro trouser belt, and duty belt).

I went with this set up as it works as stand alone or scaleable gear, holster is an auto retention universal fit holster that doesn't shift.

I never carry shotty ammo on my belt so no need for anything there, and all other gear will be carried on a PC, chest rig, or small pack/bag or relegated to pockets.

Gabriel Suarez
08-17-2022, 09:58 AM
You have guys still that arnt using dump pouches.... That thinking makes no sense to me, where the fuck do you resupply mags in a non government backed scenario. What it’s come to is how cool shit looks and how fast can you speed load....


There is no need to ever do that on an IDPA range Chad...don't you know anything? (sarcasm)

Gabriel Suarez
08-17-2022, 10:13 AM
Things evolve and adapt based on the scenario and the dynamics of the conflict. I suggest studying the situations where you would don armor and bump hat.

1. Are you defending an embassy or a structure from hostiles outside...Fort Apache The Bronx type shit.
2. Are you traveling overland in weeds, woods, or sand, on foot to your target?
3. Are you driving to your target and deploying for a hit and run op in urban settings?
4. Are you a defacto QRF for a housing track or business park during a democrat race riot?

Determine the application...the real one...then what the strategy will be. For example...in my world right now the most real applications will be #3 and #4. Strategy is a discourse on how you will accomplish your mission. The tactics will be developed to prosecute that strategy.

For example...in the case of #3. Drive to the location, park at a tactically advantageous spot (could be driving through the front door...could be parking around the corner for stealth). Dismount with conviction. Breach the door. Move to expected contact with speed - eliminating any resistance. Secure that which needs securing, evac to the vehicles and leave.

How many magazines do I need for this realistically? Will I need a Kifaru ruck with food and shelter? Will I need a ninja turtle armor kit with epaulets and body bunker shield? Will multicam be better than ninja black?

For my purposes -

Black plate carrier with rifle plates. Four AR magazines, BOK, Two additional pistol mags on the carrier, identifier insignia (dont ask). I do have a dump pouch. While I am not as concerned for resupply in a short duration, high intensity event like this, I would prefer to not leave things behind that could be used for tracking after the fact. I add a small and light belt for a thigh rig holster and two additional mags. And a bump helmet to which I can add a PVS13 should the mission call for it.

I do have a set of black gloves, black neck gaiter and clear glasses.

This is a refined version of what I ran in the gang unit. If I was selling this I would call it the "Gang Unit Kit".

chad newton
08-17-2022, 10:28 AM
Navy seal shit, hit and run....

Greg Nichols
08-17-2022, 11:25 AM
One is my dead hooker bag set up, the other is more of a couple of pieces I'd throw on for a low vis issue.
63324
63325

And the pieces can be mixed, matched, or augmented.

chad newton
08-17-2022, 11:34 AM
Things evolve and adapt based on the scenario and the dynamics of the conflict. I suggest studying the situations where you would don armor and bump hat.

1. Are you defending an embassy or a structure from hostiles outside...Fort Apache The Bronx type shit.
2. Are you traveling overland in weeds, woods, or sand, on foot to your target?
3. Are you driving to your target and deploying for a hit and run op in urban settings?
4. Are you a defacto QRF for a housing track or business park during a democrat race riot?

Determine the application...the real one...then what the strategy will be. For example...in my world right now the most real applications will be #3 and #4. Strategy is a discourse on how you will accomplish your mission. The tactics will be developed to prosecute that strategy.

For example...in the case of #3. Drive to the location, park at a tactically advantageous spot (could be driving through the front door...could be parking around the corner for stealth). Dismount with conviction. Breach the door. Move to expected contact with speed - eliminating any resistance. Secure that which needs securing, evac to the vehicles and leave.

How many magazines do I need for this realistically? Will I need a Kifaru ruck with food and shelter? Will I need a ninja turtle armor kit with epaulets and body bunker shield? Will multicam be better than ninja black?

For my purposes -

Black plate carrier with rifle plates. Four AR magazines, BOK, Two additional pistol mags on the carrier, identifier insignia (dont ask). I do have a dump pouch. While I am not as concerned for resupply in a short duration, high intensity event like this, I would prefer to not leave things behind that could be used for tracking after the fact. I add a small and light belt for a thigh rig holster and two additional mags. And a bump helmet to which I can add a PVS13 should the mission call for it.

I do have a set of black gloves, black neck gaiter and clear glasses.

This is a refined version of what I ran in the gang unit. If I was selling this I would call it the "Gang Unit Kit".
Check out hsgi new line of duty stuff. They have new mag holders too.... All black...

Papa
08-17-2022, 11:36 AM
One is my dead hooker bag set up, the other is more of a couple of pieces I'd throw on for a low vis issue.
63324
63325

And the pieces can be mixed, matched, or augmented.

Yeah, those rigs will do just fine.

chad newton
08-17-2022, 11:40 AM
One is my dead hooker bag set up, the other is more of a couple of pieces I'd throw on for a low vis issue.
63324
63325

And the pieces can be mixed, matched, or augmented.
Hell yeah....

LawDog
08-17-2022, 11:46 AM
63325

I'm glad to see that the bloodwood handles (chosen for their name) are holding up on the Gang Unit.

Greg Nichols
08-17-2022, 11:48 AM
I'm glad to see that the bloodwood handles (chosen for their name) are holding up on the Gang Unit.

Ya man. I don't even know where the original scales are. Never considered swapping them out.

Gabriel Suarez
08-17-2022, 11:50 AM
63326

chad newton
08-17-2022, 12:19 PM
Bitchen.... When cz is done, I will get an order in..

Papa
08-17-2022, 12:22 PM
63326

Another great rig.

I stopped carrying the ASP after having several fail, going to Old Woody instead--and years after being hit on the head with one failed to put me down. But one in good repair is a great tool if properly wielded--especially for poking and prodding into unknown places.

chad newton
08-17-2022, 12:35 PM
Another great rig.

I stopped carrying the ASP after having several fail, going to Old Woody instead--and years after being hit on the head with one failed to put me down. But one in good repair is a great tool if properly wielded--especially for poking and prodding into unknown places.
lol.... Sword fighting...

Greg Nichols
08-17-2022, 12:37 PM
One thing to mention, on the head gear it has IR panels so friendlies know me and LEOs/drones/.gov misidentify as a govt employee. I have other IR patches with identifiers you don't need to know about.

Papa
08-17-2022, 02:46 PM
63328


Don't forget to leave room for comms.

Greg Nichols
08-17-2022, 02:59 PM
Don't forget to leave room for comms.

What am I? An amateur?
63329

Papa
08-17-2022, 03:04 PM
Not hardly.

chad newton
08-17-2022, 03:36 PM
What am I? An amateur?
63329
What radio....

Dorkface
08-17-2022, 04:00 PM
Its a Baofeng with an extended battery, whip antenna and Mic with connecting cable to the ears.

Greg Nichols
08-17-2022, 04:17 PM
Correct.

chad newton
08-17-2022, 10:33 PM
There is no need to ever do that on an IDPA range Chad...don't you know anything? (sarcasm)
Hah.... I try....

Spokelse416
08-18-2022, 01:50 PM
What am I? An amateur?
63329What PTT and mic are you using for that setup?

Greg Nichols
08-18-2022, 02:12 PM
What PTT and mic are you using for that setup?

No PTT. It's the hand set/mike it came with. If you can't take your hand off your weapon long enough to use a mike you shouldn't be talking anyway.

coastalcop
08-18-2022, 03:54 PM
No PTT. It's the hand set/mike it came with. If you can't take your hand off your weapon long enough to use a mike you shouldn't be talking anyway.


a lot of my guys use a earwig that plugs into their shoulder mic/speaker. usually this cuts off the speaker on the shoulder mic and only feeds sound to the earwig. Two plusses, one you are only broadcasting/ recieving to the earwig so the suspect doesnt hear the wanted tones ( or gives away yiur position). two the battery tends to last a lot longer as is isnt powering a large speaker.

and yes, you only talk whenyounhave the time/security to talk.

i use a two piece under my polo, no shoulder mic. works the same though.

coastalcop
08-18-2022, 04:01 PM
I should add that on real proactive I use a liberator headset and ptt, sound amplification, cutout, etc. but its set up where I can just throw my PC over my polo and still have quiet coms as the mic and ptt on my everyday sits at the second button of my collar and my earwig is always in. wires to the radio routed through a small slit in the side of the polo.

I lose out on amplification/ cutout but it is quick and easy for last minute hits or reactive stuff

Im also a little backwards from a lot of the guys in that my pvs14 are attached to my flipmount off the helmet, I can still sling them around my neck without the helmet for use, but as they are already mounted and adjusted, its just a quick connect to the helmet if I have the time/need.

Greg Nichols
08-18-2022, 04:20 PM
Yes this is why I run them through the Impacts. Ears aren't ringing, I can hear comms chatter and the amplification of ambient noise is a bonus.

Spokelse416
08-18-2022, 05:47 PM
No PTT. It's the hand set/mike it came with. If you can't take your hand off your weapon long enough to use a mike you shouldn't be talking anyway.Gotcha. Mine didn't come with that handset when I bought them so it threw me off a bit.
I like simple setups like that. Seems like a lot less of a headache.
I agree completely. It's more of a if time or security allows thing. Cause I'd be a lot more concerned with the person or group shooting at me then running a radio.
I've never used comms professionally so Im bringing myself up to speed since its one of the few areas I'm lacking in.
Seems important though given what's possibly in store for us in the coming months/years.

apamburn
08-18-2022, 06:34 PM
Gotcha. Mine didn't come with that handset when I bought them so it threw me off a bit.
I like simple setups like that. Seems like a lot less of a headache.
I agree completely. It's more of a if time or security allows thing. Cause I'd be a lot more concerned with the person or group shooting at me then running a radio.
I've never used comms professionally so Im bringing myself up to speed since its one of the few areas I'm lacking in.
Seems important though given what's possibly in store for us in the coming months/years.

I've been meaning to try the integrated comms in over the ear protection like that. I bet it would be really good. My biggest concern with those is that I sweat like a whore in church and I hate the thought of having some big nasty sweaty muffs on the sides of my head with sweat dripping down.

A few other options to consider. One is just the basic big mic / speaker combo. I've used them professionally and they work well as long as you don't care about how loud you are. I prefer to have my radio on my right hip and bring the mic up over my left shoulder so that the cable goes across my back. I've seen some guys run the cable under their arm and when I've tried to do that it just ends up getting in the way too much. I suppose if you're kitted up you could route it somehow.

Another is the earpiece. To be honest I prefer the idea of the earpiece but in execution it's always sucked. It usually takes about 30 minutes before I just can't stand the feeling of it in my ear anymore and I don't know why.

That is, until I discovered surefire ear plugs. Surefire ear plugs have a port in them that allow you to plug them into the tube for an earpiece. They are quite comfortable and quite effective.

I think when you add integrated ear protection to a helmet then really the choice becomes a lot more clear and if you're going to be wearing the earpro you might as well integrate it to comms.

Dorkface
08-18-2022, 06:51 PM
I've been meaning to try the integrated comms in over the ear protection like that. I bet it would be really good. My biggest concern with those is that I sweat like a whore in church and I hate the thought of having some big nasty sweaty muffs on the sides of my head with sweat dripping down.

A few other options to consider. One is just the basic big mic / speaker combo. I've used them professionally and they work well as long as you don't care about how loud you are. I prefer to have my radio on my right hip and bring the mic up over my left shoulder so that the cable goes across my back. I've seen some guys run the cable under their arm and when I've tried to do that it just ends up getting in the way too much. I suppose if you're kitted up you could route it somehow.

Another is the earpiece. To be honest I prefer the idea of the earpiece but in execution it's always sucked. It usually takes about 30 minutes before I just can't stand the feeling of it in my ear anymore and I don't know why.

That is, until I discovered surefire ear plugs. Surefire ear plugs have a port in them that allow you to plug them into the tube for an earpiece. They are quite comfortable and quite effective.

I think when you add integrated ear protection to a helmet then really the choice becomes a lot more clear and if you're going to be wearing the earpro you might as well integrate it to comms.

I have some Peltors that I have used for.... 15 or so years and ran them in classes and endlessly at the range and haven't had a problem with them getting funky from sweat. I got the connecting cable for them too so I can run audio from comms. Another huge advantage over the speaker/mic combo is that you will always hear the radio even if the active hearing cuts out to block loud noises.

Greg Nichols
08-18-2022, 07:05 PM
I have some Peltors that I have used for.... 15 or so years and ran them in classes and endlessly at the range and haven't had a problem with them getting funky from sweat. I got the connecting cable for them too so I can run audio from comms. Another huge advantage over the speaker/mic combo is that you will always hear the radio even if the active hearing cuts out to block loud noises.

Yes, its a tactical advantage all around

Johnny C!
08-19-2022, 07:19 AM
I/we run the Baofengs and rather plugging into the
HL's, I use the ear piece that is shipped with them
under my HL's. This allows me to take the HL's off
when needed & still have comms. That earpiece does
have an small inline mic button, but I use the PTT
button on the radio (more gross motor skills).

Added: As reference, I use a similar ear piece under
my headphones for my cell phone, while flying. It works
really well.

Also we have our ham tickets & use them for vehicle
comms when on the road, as well as 4 wheeling,
etc. Great little radios. We use the 2m/440 version
that allows us to have a lot of the local EMS/LE freq's,
that we have permission to have programmed.


Simple, effective & affordable.

Also, there is a USA company (in Utah, I think) that
makes gel ear cups for the HL's. A great upgrade.

coastalcop
08-19-2022, 04:49 PM
I've been meaning to try the integrated comms in over the ear protection like that. I bet it would be really good. My biggest concern with those is that I sweat like a whore in church and I hate the thought of having some big nasty sweaty muffs on the sides of my head with sweat dripping down.

A few other options to consider. One is just the basic big mic / speaker combo. I've used them professionally and they work well as long as you don't care about how loud you are. I prefer to have my radio on my right hip and bring the mic up over my left shoulder so that the cable goes across my back. I've seen some guys run the cable under their arm and when I've tried to do that it just ends up getting in the way too much. I suppose if you're kitted up you could route it somehow.

Another is the earpiece. To be honest I prefer the idea of the earpiece but in execution it's always sucked. It usually takes about 30 minutes before I just can't stand the feeling of it in my ear anymore and I don't know why.

That is, until I discovered surefire ear plugs. Surefire ear plugs have a port in them that allow you to plug them into the tube for an earpiece. They are quite comfortable and quite effective.

I think when you add integrated ear protection to a helmet then really the choice becomes a lot more clear and if you're going to be wearing the earpro you might as well integrate it to comms.


exactly, I use the surefires myself the same way. Daily use they last aboit 6 months before they lose flexability and will make your ear hurt. occassionally running canned air through them will keep the humidity and earwax creep out of the air tube too.

chad newton
09-06-2022, 10:46 PM
I think a war belt that is intended to work with a chest rig or plate carrier is entirely different than a standalone war belt.

War belt is just another name and take on the LBE that has existed since the m1956 LCE, m1967 MLCE, ALICE LC2 carriage systems, British PLCE system, USAF H Gear harness, etc.

A dedicated belt rig distributes weight better disperses heat better, and carries better in rural or dismounted contexts.

It also carries much more than a belt meant to be sometimes used in conjunction with a PC.

So we need to make that distinction when on this topic.

I think the lighter war belt concept as part of a PC system needs to be vehicle friendly and slim.

For the rural patrolling option the USAF gen 2 H Gear kit is actually really nice imo.
Found it, looks good. Iím looking at a couple of options still....