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cmcampbell

06-21-2021, 09:38 PM

All my info is a little dated. Hope it helps.

I have found that an upright riding position feels best for my body and I hurt less. Think Paris-Dakar BMW, standard cruisers, V Max , etc…

Harleys seemed to hold value best.

Ride a bunch of different types and styles and see what is comfortable and appeals.
A lot of this is body type specific, example with 34” inseam the Paris-Dakar 1000 1990 works well, for shorter legs not so much.

Think about what accessories you want and their availability , for example hard lockable saddle bags.

I was always happy with Corbin seats.

I never had crotch rockets for long, too uncomfortable.
It can also be harder to maintain all around awareness in the bent over position.

For 6 years I spent 2 days each year at Pridmore’s CLASS school at Road Atlanta.
On the track crotch rockets weight the front tire for braking and cornering and reduce wind drag. Over 80 mph they are OK.
Crotch rockets are not comfortable for me off the track.

I Ran BMW Paris-Dakar 1000 1990 and GS1100 2 days each on Road Atlanta. I enjoyed that, they corner better than you would expect.

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I have ridden and owned the following among others:
HD
1977 Electra Glide Sport, basically a Police bike set up
Dyna Glide early 1990s
Moo Glide Soft Tail early 1990s

BMW
Paris-Dakar 1000 1990
GS1100
K1100RS did not like it for distance, cooked your leg.

Yamaha
1993 V max fast

Kawasaki Ninja 1100D fast handled well.
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COG

06-21-2021, 09:45 PM

I have 50 plus years in the saddle of various makes of motorcycles. I've owned Euro, Jap and US bikes. Until 15 years ago all my bikes were high horsepower race bikes, but as I aged my neck, arms and back couldn't deal with the bent over posture. Some of that is due to numerous injuries (not MC related) and advancing years (now 66).

For the past decade and half I've been riding touring bikes. I started out with BMW (RT1200R) and in 2012 I switched over to Harley. I traded my 2012 Ultra Limited for a 2018 Roadglide Ultra back in Dec of 2017 and that's still my current ride.

First you need to determine what type of street riding you intend to do and you may need to start on a smaller bike than what you really want in the beginning for learning purposes. This is especially true for a novice or someone with little or no experience on heavy weight touring bikes.

Also, as much as I loved my beemer, it was a royal pain in the ass. Just like BMW cars, they are high tech and crap fails way more than it should. I loved riding BMWs and did several multi-week cross country tours on mine. Unfortunately, I had numerous electrical failures and then at 19K miles the rear dif went out. It then took 3 weeks before BMW decided they would warranty the repair even though it was still under factory warranty. After dealing with other BMW "warranty" repairs this was the last straw. I really did like the bike, just couldn't put up with crap failing all the time. This is just my experience and others may have faired better with the brand.

Now to my current touring bikes. I stayed away from Harley due to my sportster experience back in the mid 70's. What a pile of junk! From the late 70's till mid 2000's I bought Jap bikes. Extremely reliable, but dealer service was always spotty. Back in 2008, on a whim I bought a 1200 Buell. That bike was an absolute blast to ride around town and especially through curvy country roads, but it definitely was not a touring bike. The Buell got me to start looking at Harley (Buell was owned by Harley at the time). I had such great luck with the Buell and the Harley dealer network I then switched over to Harley and got rid of my BMW.

I know this post is somewhat lengthy, but maybe I can impart some of my knowledge that will be helpful. Anyways, no motorcycle is perfect, but the dealership network makes the difference. I do much of my own wrenching, but if you are on a multi-day tour, knowing a Harley dealership is usually close by is reassuring especially if something does go wrong. Harley has the most extensive dealerbase in North America, including many dealers all over the world. Finally, I've always had really good service experience with most Harley dealers. I can't say that about most Jap or Euro shops. I almost forgot, the Harley parts/accessory aftermarket is huge! Harley is the motorcycle equivalent to Glock.

To sum up, decide what kind of riding you intend to do, mostly city, short trips or full on touring? Then will you have a passenger? Believe me, passenger comfort is a big deal especially if it's your wife sitting behind you. My wife hated riding on the BMW and wouldn't ride my any of sport bikes at all. She definitely enjoys riding on my Harley touring bikes and we've done a number of multi-mile trips together.

Finally, I do love motorcycles and ride any chance I get. I'm no expert, but I am someone with many miles in the seat and do not mind passing on any knowledge I might have to someone thinking about getting into bikes.

Brent Yamamoto

06-21-2021, 09:47 PM

Of course it all depends on what you want.

I like the look of Harleys, but I am not willing to spend that much money on a bike. I bought a Yamaha V Star, which looks like a Harley but does not carry the price tag. It does not have the same cool points, but arguably it is a better bike.

but I might suggest this. Start with a cheaper bike that you do not care so much about. It can still look cool, and be cool, but starting with a cheaper bike and gaining experience before you invest in something like a Harley is wise. There is a very good chance you will lay your first bike down...That pill is a lot easier to swallow with a $10,000 bike than a $30,000 bike.

After spending a year or two on that bike, you will have a better idea of what you want and what you need.

res308

06-21-2021, 09:55 PM

I won't recommend a 900 pound motorcycle for your first ride, or for anyone just getting back into riding (me). I had been out of riding for a few years and went straight back to a Harley Davidson Street Glide Special last year, one of the touring models. Heavy beast, but I survived and I love it. They are surprisingly nimble on the road and at slow speed handling. I came up on sport bikes (uncomfortable but fun) and Yamaha cruisers. Although I had ridden some Harleys throughout my life, this is actually my first Harley. I had to admit to myself that there is that certain “something” about them. It’s been mentioned before, but I can’t deny the benefit of their large dealer network.

However, if you go with Harley I'd recommend a Heritage Classic. The bike is lighter by, I think, about 200 pounds. You also sit lower ("in" the bike instead of "on" the bike.) It has what I call the old school 1940's look. Just personal preference. But try out all of the Softail models too.

As mentioned, Triumph is another great choice. Old school class.

Truth be told, your first bike probably won’t be the one you stick with. As riding style develops the style of bike will likely change with it. It doesn’t hurt anything at all to start out on a lower, lighter, less expensive bike and learn how your style develops, decide if the ride really is in your blood, and of course to go ahead and get that first drop out of the way.

It is a uniquely fun journey you are about to embark on.

War Dawg

06-21-2021, 10:21 PM

BMW R18 or Triumph Speedmaster. Ride both and pick the one that speaks to you.

Jon Payne

06-21-2021, 10:58 PM

I'm still getting my "sea legs" on a TW200. For a first road bike I'd look to the Honda Rebel 500. After a year, I would transition to a Rebel 1100 (non DCT). Be advised the the adventure bike line is the largest growing segment of the cycle world. Think Tener' 700 and Super Tener'. My next bike will either be a CRF 300 Rally or the Rebel 1100.

Jon Payne

06-21-2021, 11:01 PM

BTW, the Rebel 1100 out Harley's the Harley. It's an all around better bike, reliable, and fast AF. The Rebel 500 performs as well as the 883 Sportster if not better and rides like a Cadillac.

WOLF220

06-22-2021, 01:05 AM

It really depends on what kind of ride you’re looking for. Paired down, your cruisers and touring bikes will be the most comfortable to ride. If you want performance, sport bikes will be the way to go, although will lack comfort for long rides. Your big heavy bikes also won’t accelerate maneuver or brake like the lighter sportier bikes. I’ve never personally been a fan of cruiser type bikes nothing wrong with them I just like the performance a sport bike provides. You may want to check out the nakeds. They provide obscene power with a much more comfortable riding position. The less expensive bikes in this class are no push over. And the head of the class will blow your mind. Kawasaki will be on the lower end of the scale with their Z900 and you have the top of the class in the aprila tuono or the bmw S1000R. These bikes provide instant mind blowing acceleration amazing stopping capability and decent comfort. Where they lack is the ability to carry stuff, but there ARE tank bags and other type of accessories that will allow you to carry a modest amount of kit.
Style is also something that comes into play. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I like the lines and sharp angles of the modern naked bikes, IMO, if you’re looking at cruiser, there is nothing Harley Davidson makes that can compete with the Yamaha Vmax performance wise. It’s a big shaft driven beast that although heavy and comfortable, has no hesitation when you twist the throttle.
Oh, and one more thing about the nakeds, they are geared lower than the super sport bikes to allow sedate city riding, you don’t have to have them spooled up, just twist your wrist.

Travlin

06-22-2021, 02:31 AM

Pretty well covered it guys.

If the bike class is the only saddle time you've had the smaller bike is not a bad idea. A cheap bike you don't mind dropping while working on tight maneuvering practice in a parking lot.

You need to get an idea on your riding you want to do. Will you and the Shield Maiden travel? Then you want to move to a heavy touring bike. Desert rides at night for the breeze you can go with a lighter bike.

Harley has demo ride trucks so you can ride the different bikes for a feel of them. I don't know about BMW and others. T and I ride Harleys because we travel and the dealer network is gold. Finding a Honda dealer close when your Wing is on the side of the road can be difficult.
IF you lean toward a Harley i would try some at the dealer and then rent one for a weekend and run some miles to get the real feel for it.

ETA

For not a lot of cash you can make a Harley perform (yeah I know). An air ckeaner and exhaust, cam and a tune will put a reliable 100hp+ under you for a couple of grand. The rabbit hole is deep and can add problems if it taken to the extreme but just making it breath right is easy.

coastalcop

06-22-2021, 04:48 AM

ok my .02

Unfortunately Harley is cutting edge 1950's tech (though their v-rod motor was porsche derived the bike was a flop, shame as it had good lines)

BMW RT's are great tourers and pretty good in town bikes, one of the reasons major PDs with taste use them in the motor fleet.

Indian, Victory etc. neat bikes but they seem to go under and restructure every few years leaving you holding the bag for parts (had to uhaul a bike from cody wyoming to salt lake city with a buddy mid trip to get a regulator/rectifier on his victory.

Guzzi, Ducati . sweet lines, Italian temperment. Like a hot latina, she will kiss you one hour and try to cut you the next. Be prepared for breakdowns and long part waits.

Ive owned probably on the order of 50-75 motorcycles and am now down to two. But in order to give you an idea, here are my top picks:

Sport Touring Kawasaki Concours 1400 , the thing is a missle, comfortable, and will cruise lightly at 130 on a highway

Touring BMW RT not as fast as the above, but still a comfortable ride and quick enough

Dual sport/ gravel running/ kicking around town Yamaha WR250r and Kawasaki Versys 650 , have both, and nobody can tell what the versys is, they keep thinking its german or italian.

Touring with gravel in the map. BMW GS or KTM adventure. Parts for the KTM will be as rare as the Italian jobs

Cruiser Kawasaki Vaquero or Honda Goldwing cruiser variant. Easy parts, good rides, enough power

Odd bike im considering Honda NM4, but only because I grew up watching Akira ;) https://jalopnik.com/the-akira-motorcycle-is-real-and-we-rode-it-1628305844

mrstang01

06-22-2021, 05:20 AM

I'm with Brent, I like the Harley looks, but in KY, I can't ride often enough (I'm a puss, I don't like riding in cold or wet anymore) to justify the cost of a Harley. I rode a Yamaha 1100 Virago for years, but it's gotten long in the tooth and tough to find parts for it. I'm in the market now for a Yamaha V-star as well. For me, it does everything the Harley would at a better price and with less hassle. If I lived where you do Taipan, I'd probably consider the Harley if you think it's something you would enjoy, and want to get the seat time in. The weather there will allow more of it.

LawDog

06-22-2021, 07:38 AM

I stopped riding years ago, but never stopped having an opinion, so I'll throw mine into the bucket.

My first recommendation would be an echo of Brent's: buy a bike that you are willing to lay down. The willingness to push the limits will teach you. With weights, you never know how much you can lift until you finally reach the point of failure. You lifted 405? Okay, lift 425. You failed? Okay, step back to 415. Only by failing on an attempted lift can you be certain that you are truly incapable of lifting it. Then you know what your max weight is. The same thing applies to riding. You'll never know how tight a turn you can make, how low you can lean it over, until you actually find that spot where you lose traction and feel the tires slip. The guys who gush over polished chrome never know what their bikes will do.

Second, reconsider the dirt. Given the issue above, think about how much more willing you will be to lay down a bike in the desert than in the road. Dirt riding also teaches some lessons that are difficult (if not impossible) to learn on the asphalt. You don't have to go all-in and make dirt-riding your thing. It's kind of like starting with a .22 training rifle to gain the skills, but knowing that the rimfire isn't your final goal. New shooters always want to start with a full-bore gun, because that's their goal. But we know that they would consistently be better-served if they devoted themselves to rimfire shooting for a brief period before switching up to the big guns. The same is true with dirt bikes.

I'm not a fan of Harley. I'll never understand why anyone would tune a bike to sound a certain way, rather than tuning it for optimal performance. If I were buying a bike today, it would probably be a KTM Adventure. It would at least be something in that genre. For Gabe, though, the bike that immediately springs to mind is the V-Max. I always wanted one of those when I was a kid. It is the original Muscle Bike. I recall reading a review of one and the author noted that it was the only bike he had ever reviewed that was delivered to him by the manufacturer with a spare rear tire. He laughed at first, and then recognized their wisdom. He burned through that rear tire in no time, just because it was fun.

Brent Yamamoto

06-22-2021, 08:29 AM

I am a fair weather rider. My V Star is for riding around town, going on short local rides. It's a picking up chicks kind of bike and it's not the kind of bike I want to take on road trips.

I'd love a hybrid, something that's meant for the road but can go off road in a pinch, something I don't mind getting dirty or dinged up. It would have been wiser I think to start with a bike like that, but it wasn't what I wanted at the time.

I've ridden bikes a fair amount before I got mine, but this is the first one I've owned, so obviously spent a lot more time on it. I feel pretty lucky that I haven't layed it down. But Lawdog is right, I don't know my limits and the bike's limits because I'm not willing to push it. A beater bike would be a good thing for practice.

I have been intending on taking some more advanced riding classes but just haven't prioritized it.

res308

06-22-2021, 08:45 AM

The guys who gush over polished chrome never know what their bikes will do.

Yeah, some. Well, most. But that’s not necessarily true across the board. I gush over my big beautiful black and chrome machine, but I now have scrapes on my saddle bags and metal ground off the bottom of the floor boards from constantly testing the lean angle. That said, my next one might be an adventure bike so I can do all the types of riding I love.

The V-Max is one of the most respectable machines ever. I don’t know that I’d recommend it for a beginning rider, but I can picture Gabe catching on to that one and not looking back. I’d kind of like to have one myself.

Like most things, it all depends on one’s personal preference. Like Brent’s V-Star for example - that’s a fine machine. I have taken some pretty decent road trips on the V-Star 1100 I had and it was great. I’m just happy to see someone sitting on “two’s” doing what they do.

Brent Yamamoto

06-22-2021, 09:06 AM

Yeah, some. Well, most. But that’s not necessarily true across the board. I gush over my big beautiful black and chrome machine, but I now have scrapes on my saddle bags and metal ground off the bottom of the floor boards from constantly testing the lean angle.
The V-Max is one of the most respectable machines ever. I don’t know that I’d recommend it for a beginning rider, but I can picture Gabe catching on to that one and not looking back. I’d kind of like to have one myself.

Like most things, it all depends on one’s personal preference. Like Brent’s V-Star for example - that’s a fine machine. I have taken some pretty decent road trips on the V-Star 1100 I had and it was great. I’m just happy to see someone sitting on “two’s” doing what they do.

The V-Max is a hell of a bike. I have lusted over one ever since it was introduced.

Personally, I think the V-Star is a better Harley. It spends a lot less time in the shop. Mine is also an 1100. Maybe one of these days I'll upgrade to something bigger (if someone is on the back, I can tell the difference), but by myself it is plenty of power. I will get some type of bike I don't care about first though. Something I don't mind getting beat up.

Brent Yamamoto

06-22-2021, 09:13 AM

I think the Yamaha Bolt would be a good starter bike. Still might be wiser to start with a beater, but I think the Bolts are really cool. I wish they had a bigger model but for what it is, pretty awesome. If I were to start collecting bikes, I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/sport-heritage/models/bolt

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Herbert West

06-22-2021, 01:25 PM

I have only owned jap bikes. Never a Harley fan, not a fan of the aesthetics, never trusted the reliability of American made motor vehicles no matter whether autos or motorbikes. Had only jap 'crotch rockets' Yamaha R6, Honda CBR 1000, and closest to a 'cruiser' type bike was my Hayabusa. Now at 'my age' my riding is more upright conservative, presently have a Kawasaki W800, which is a jap version of the classic Triumph Bonneville cafe racer. Smooth, fun, sporty, and can go on quick comfortable overnight. travel carrying minimal travel items in saddle bags. At my other abode, outside the US, my ride is a simple, basic reliable Yamaha Zuma 125 scooter; where 50% of the populace rides scooters. Fun, convenient, and easy, but here, my W800 is my toy.

Aside from the recommendations, suggestions, advice posted, know that you will fall. Those that haven't hit the pavement haven't ridden enough, or they lie. If you can test ride one you're interested in go for it. Last, ALWAYS wear a helmet. Presently in South Florida, hot and humid but I never ride without a helmet.

Just so you know, prepare to have more than one, make space in the garage accordingly.....figure 3 at minimum :-)

Travlin

06-22-2021, 01:42 PM

Gabriel Suarez

06-22-2021, 01:45 PM

Aesthetics are important. That is why we wash our faces and comb our hair and wear clean clothes. Not a chrome guy...I am thinking more of a blacked out look...like my other vehicles.

WOLF220

06-22-2021, 02:20 PM

I also don’t subscribe to the line of thinking that you WILL lay the bike down. That’s no different than saying I’m gonna get shot if I get into a gunfight or stabbed or cut if someone pulls a knife. I’ve ridden dirt bikes when I was a kid and teenager but my first street bike was a Kawasaki ZX-10. Yeah 0-60 in under 3 seconds. I never dumped it and I rode it, hard. One does not buy a bike that almost does 200 mph to ride like old people fuck. Did/does the chance exist to lay it down? of course. But outside of a truck spilling gravel on the road that you can’t see around the bend, just use smarts. You don’t have to crank the throttle everywhere you go. I also think riding a bike is an athletic endeavor. Sure you can plop your ass on the seat and twist the throttle, or your body can move in sync with the machine. Learning how to shift your weight, is a crucial skill especially on twisty roads at speed.
I also believe the same when it comes to learning your limits. You don’t need to lay down a bike to find it’s limits. Going to a track would be the safest way to finding you and your machines limits. You can find out how fast people are going through certain corners. You can look at your tires, got chicken strips? You can lean it further. Besides, say you get a smaller bike to start, say a 600 yup the tires break loose at 120 going through that curve. Uhhhh if you live and decide to get a bigger bike you’d have to start all over again with a different machine. Again, I can only speak on the sport side of things, but today’s bikes have so much power they need specialized electronics like wheelie control, lean angle control, abs, traction control. Selectable power levels for riding conditions, etc. One final thought, it’s not necessarily finding the bikes limits, the bike will be better than 99% of its riders, it will be finding the riders limits.

Brent Yamamoto

06-22-2021, 02:41 PM

LawDog

06-22-2021, 02:45 PM

I also don’t subscribe to the line of thinking that you WILL lay the bike down.To clarify my point, because I don't want to be misunderstood: I'm not saying that you have to lay the bike down. My point is just that you need to be willing to creep up to the edge. And I've been guilty of having a bike that I was unwilling to push as hard as I could have. I also had a bike that was a bit worn--not entirely a beater--that was a lot more fun, because I was willing to risk it.

Jon Payne

06-22-2021, 02:59 PM

61614
Aesthetics are important. That is why we wash our faces and comb our hair and wear clean clothes. Not a chrome guy...I am thinking more of a blacked out look...like my other vehicles.

I really dig the Honda Rebel 1100.

COG

06-22-2021, 03:09 PM

Gabe,

Fair amount of Harley haters here, but that doesn't bother me. If it has 2 wheels it's all good! I've been on both sides of that drama. Had a Hells Angel pull up next to me in the early 90's and proceed to tell me what a piece of shit my Honda was. I proceeded to tell him to "F" off and told him to try to catch me with his trash Harley. He tried, but it wasn't even close.

Anyways, most folks that have a negative "opinion" of a Harley have never owned or ridden one. This is coming from someone that has owned numerous Jap, Euro and American made bikes. I started out on a Yamaha 125 when I was 14, graduated to a Yamaha RD 350 when I was 16 and then went on to a Harley Sportster at age 18 (horrible bike, but that was the AMF days).

Currently, there are no really bad or poorly made motorcycles (excepting chicom knockoffs). As I stated in my earlier post, the dealer and dealer network makes all of the difference. I've had failures on every make of bike I've owned and the Harley network is extensive and probably the best. I've had occasional failures with all brands: I ride a lot and put many miles on my cycles. Even though some say Harley is 1950's tech, well in some aspects maybe, but they have some pf the best fit and finish of any cycle made. Compare the paint quality to a Jap bike and it's easy to see the difference. There is also considerably more metal in a Harley. I've had superbikes that would run in excess of 180. Whew what a thrill and if that's your thing - go for it, but be ready for expensive insurance and some speeding tickets. Next to Harley, I think BMW makes some of the best bikes currently available, but you have to deal with their spotty and inconsistent dealer network. Been there done that... Jap bikes are great too, but their shops (most) are not to the same level of expertise as Harley or even most Euro bike shops. If you are comparing bikes like watches, think of Jap bikes as similar to a Citizen watch and Harley more like the Rolex you revere. I'm not knocking any make, they all have their place.

BTW, I before I retired I was the business development director for a software company that specialized in business software specifically for motorcycle dealerships. I got to know a great many dealers across the U.S. and Canada and got to see the inside workings of many dealerships. I would also suggest while you are shopping and trying to decide what suits you, take a look at the dealer's shop and that will instantly provide you with knowledge of how they operate.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this brand vs that, I can only provide my 50 years of experience with many different makes and models, plus some of my insider experience working within the motorcycle industry.

It all boils down to purchase what you like, maybe starting out on a "learner" bike and move up when you are ready, but find a good dealer that will stand behind you during your learning process.

Short story, back in the late 80's I had a Honda Hurricane 1000, one of the quickest and fast bikes of the era. I rode the crap out of that bike at some insane speeds. My younger brother wanted a bike like mine, but had never ridden. I told him to buy an entry bike to learn and that went nowhere. He then showed up with a used Kawasaki Turbo 750. Pretty cool bike in those days, but definitely not something to learn on. That same evening he took the bike out for a short ride and lost control on a curvy road just a few miles from his house. He got banged up pretty good and completely totalled the bike. My brother to this day will not get on a motorcycle. Basically, what I'm saying is - go through the learning process so you might live to ride another day and then purchase whatever speaks to you.

Bill Bond

06-22-2021, 03:22 PM

Gabriel Suarez

06-22-2021, 03:26 PM

No...I get it. There are guys that will carry an extra 100 pounds of fat because it makes them stronger and bigger. Me...I like being strong, and somewhat big for my frame, but call it what you will, I like looking good. We choose our clothing and timepieces for the same reason. The ethos, image and culture of a thing, appeals or it does not appeal. I would rather drive the oldest beater Jeep from WW2 than ever set my ass inside a Prius...for example. And only due to the ethos, image and culture of the Prius.

The vehicles I own I bought as much because of the image they present as for what they can do. I suppose a Toyota CJ would do what a Jeep will do, but the CJ does not have the ethos or culture that the Jeep has...nor the image. As well, a Nissan Navigator may be able to keep up and even surpass the Tahoe in some areas, but the Tahoe doesn't give up much to it...and nobody gets out of the way of a speeding black Navigator on the highway.

When I select my motorcycle, I will do the same.

Gabe,

Fair amount of Harley haters here, but that doesn't bother me. If it has 2 wheels it's all good! I've been on both sides of that drama. Had a Hells Angel pull up next to me in the early 90's and proceed to tell me what a piece of shit my Honda was. I proceeded to tell him to "F" off and told him to try to catch me with his trash Harley. He tried, but it wasn't even close.

Anyways, most folks that have a negative "opinion" of a Harley have never owned or ridden one. This is coming from someone that has owned numerous Jap, Euro and American made bikes. I started out on a Yamaha 125 when I was 14, graduated to a Yamaha RD 350 when I was 16 and then went on to a Harley Sportster at age 18 (horrible bike, but that was the AMF days).

Currently, there are no really bad or poorly made motorcycles (excepting chicom knockoffs). As I stated in my earlier post, the dealer and dealer network makes all of the difference. I've had failures on every make of bike I've owned and the Harley network is extensive and probably the best. I've had occasional failures with all brands: I ride a lot and put many miles on my cycles. Even though some say Harley is 1950's tech, well in some aspects maybe, but they have some pf the best fit and finish of any cycle made. Compare the paint quality to a Jap bike and it's easy to see the difference. There is also considerably more metal in a Harley. I've had superbikes that would run in excess of 180. Whew what a thrill and if that's your thing - go for it, but be ready for expensive insurance and some speeding tickets. Next to Harley, I think BMW makes some of the best bikes currently available, but you have to deal with their spotty and inconsistent dealer network. Been there done that... Jap bikes are great too, but their shops (most) are not to the same level of expertise as Harley or even most Euro bike shops. If you are comparing bikes like watches, think of Jap bikes as similar to a Citizen watch and Harley more like the Rolex you revere. I'm not knocking any make, they all have their place.

BTW, I before I retired I was the business development director for a software company that specialized in business software specifically for motorcycle dealerships. I got to know a great many dealers across the U.S. and Canada and got to see the inside workings of many dealerships. I would also suggest while you are shopping and trying to decide what suits you, take a look at the dealer's shop and that will instantly provide you with knowledge of how they operate.

I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this brand vs that, I can only provide my 50 years of experience with many different makes and models, plus some of my insider experience working within the motorcycle industry.

It all boils down to purchase what you like, maybe starting out on a "learner" bike and move up when you are ready, but find a good dealer that will stand behind you during your learning process.

Short story, back in the late 80's I had a Honda Hurricane 1000, one of the quickest and fast bikes of the era. I rode the crap out of that bike at some insane speeds. My younger brother wanted a bike like mine, but had never ridden. I told him to buy an entry bike to learn and that went nowhere. He then showed up with a used Kawasaki Turbo 750. Pretty cool bike in those days, but definitely not something to learn on. That same evening he took the bike out for a short ride and lost control on a curvy road just a few miles from his house. He got banged up pretty good and completely totalled the bike. My brother to this day will not get on a motorcycle. Basically, what I'm saying is - go through the learning process so you might live to ride another day and then purchase whatever speaks to you.

Gabriel Suarez

06-22-2021, 03:27 PM

Back in the 80's I dated a doctor that hung out with trauma doctors that worked in emergency rooms in Phoenix.
They called them donor cycles, since 60% of the donated organs came from healthy young men that had been riding motorcycles.

Well...same docs will tell you that you should carry a DAO pistol because every self inflicted gunshot came from a Glock.

coastalcop

06-22-2021, 04:45 PM

Vaquero
https://www.kawasaki.com/en-us/motorcycle/vulcan/bagger-cruiser/vulcan-1700-vaquero-abs/2021-Vulcan-1700-Vaquero-ABS

Versys
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vT28VVzb-U0

F6b goldwing
https://drpowersports.com/Motorcycles-Honda-Gold-Wing-F6B-2016-Cedar-Falls-IA-bbe668cf-2de8-4ee8-92c8-a5070059941e

Concours

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kawasaki_1400GTR

psalms23dad

06-22-2021, 04:47 PM

If/when I think of bikes that fit the "gentleman killer" persona the list gets really short...
It would have to be quick, nimble, reliable and mean. Not a 2 wheeled couch, a meth cookers wet dream or a bike for the gender confused hipsters.

WOLF220

06-22-2021, 05:29 PM

I agree that it’s not a given one will lay the bike down. And that it’s all about the rider’s limits.

Nonetheless, I would recommend a great $10k bike over a great $30k bike for a first time bike owner.
100% agreed Brent. There IS a learning curve when first starting, just like any other skill.

WOLF220

06-22-2021, 05:33 PM

To clarify my point, because I don't want to be misunderstood: I'm not saying that you have to lay the bike down. My point is just that you need to be willing to creep up to the edge. And I've been guilty of having a bike that I was unwilling to push as hard as I could have. I also had a bike that was a bit worn--not entirely a beater--that was a lot more fun, because I was willing to risk it.
I get what you’re saying bro and you're absolutely right.

WOLF220

06-22-2021, 05:34 PM

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I really dig the Honda Rebel 1100.
That is a sinister looking bike!!!

Brent Yamamoto

06-22-2021, 05:38 PM

I love Harleys by the way. I just don’t want to pay the premium for them.

But number one, and this goes for bikes, guns, whisky, everything...buy what you want, no matter what anyone else says.

If I didn’t have other priorities, I would own a small squadron of bikes. They are like guns, you always want one more.

res308

06-22-2021, 05:39 PM

61623 Harley Davidson Road King Special (touring)
61615 Yamaha V-Max (THE muscle bike)
61616 Harley Davidson Low Rider S (cruiser)
61617 Kawasaki ZX14 Concours (sport touring)
61618 Triumph Bonneville Speedmaster (classic?)
61619 Harley Davidson Sportster Iron 883 (quite a bike with the 1200 or 1250 big bore kit and cam.

res308

06-22-2021, 05:54 PM

But number one, and this goes for bikes, guns, whisky, everything...buy what you want, no matter what anyone else says.

YES! There’s the master key to this whole thing right there. Doesn’t matter what anyone wants you to have. What matters is the one that’s right for you.

COG

06-22-2021, 06:00 PM

BTW,

This is my current ride. Definitely not for beginners, but a great hwy touring bike. Heavy weight is an advantage when dealing with high side winds or big rigs on the open road. Just ride through west Texas with 50 mph gusts will make a believer out of you. That used to pucker my butt when riding my BMW R1200RT, but my Harley Roadglide Ultra handles that with ease. Not really a bang around town bike, but a great open road cycle. I have full wireless intercom to listen to tunes or turn directions from my gps. If you are a single rider, maybe not for you, but my wife really enjoys the passenger accommodations on this bike. We've done several tours together and honestly get along much better than we ever have riding cooped up in a car or truck. :smile:

http://www.warriortalk.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=57821&d=1558462818

http://www.warriortalk.com/asset.php?fid=52414&uid=48541&d=1558462818

WinstonSmith

06-22-2021, 06:11 PM

Aesthetics are important. That is why we wash our faces and comb our hair and wear clean clothes. Not a chrome guy...I am thinking more of a blacked out look...like my other vehicles.

I could see you on an Indian Scout Bobber, flat black.

I could also see you enjoying a Ducati Monster, a little more sophisticated, or perhaps a BMW NineT, modern take on a retro look.

All have attitude, but are a little off-beat and more rare than a Harley.

62-10

06-22-2021, 06:22 PM

Lots of good advice so far...& I have been riding bikes on the street for a looong time. That includes seat time on numerous bikes from all of the major brands available CONUS.

From a power perspective, 50 to 70 Dynojet RWHP (SAE corrected) is the sweet spot for solo street riding on a middle weight bike.

Personally, at this stage of my life, I am no longer interested in owning a heavyweight bike. That said, if you want a heavyweight Harley, you just can't go wrong with a late model Road King.

Gabe, you just don't impress me as a Yamaha Bolt kinda guy...and that is a compliment.

I bought this 2007 Triumph Speedmaster, new, for a milestone birthday...& still enjoy it today. At the time, I wanted a break from faster bikes. It is far from stock & does 70 DJ RWHP, SAE. And it can turn.

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Fun fact...I once saw Jesus while I was deep into the throttle of a friend's 1974 Kawasaki H2 Mark IV (750 2T, a fast bike back in the day)...the most violent head shake I have ever experienced...and a most memorable ride!

As with other things, I would think you already know what you want, & why. Happy hunting!

Gabriel Suarez

06-22-2021, 06:30 PM

100% agreed Brent. There IS a learning curve when first starting, just like any other skill.

I agree with that and will likely buy a used bike that is similar to what I envision riding in the future. $10K is a good point to stay under.

Gabriel Suarez

06-22-2021, 06:32 PM

I could see you on an Indian Scout Bobber, flat black.

I could also see you enjoying a Ducati Monster, a little more sophisticated, or perhaps a BMW NineT, modern take on a retro look.

All have attitude, but are a little off-beat and more rare than a Harley.

Was looking at an Indian

Travlin

06-22-2021, 06:41 PM

There ARE lots of good scoots out today this 87 Suzuki is a good old girl, resting in the garage atm.
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I like my Harley but an entirely different ride. I won't change either although I'll probably ride the 87 in the mountains. A low cg bike at 650lbs is worlds away for a 950 high cg Harley in the twisties.

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Gabe you just need to ride and decide. The Roadking is a great all around scoot unless you are going to be 2 up a lot, then a Glide would be the ticket.

coastalcop

06-22-2021, 07:57 PM

WinstonSmith

06-22-2021, 09:17 PM

I agree with that and will likely buy a used bike that is similar to what I envision riding in the future. $10K is a good point to stay under.

Take a look at the Ducati Scrambler. They’re fun euro bikes with a modern twist on simple retro styling and you can find a hipster to pass it off to later (or junior staff).

JDoza

06-22-2021, 10:17 PM

BMW K1600B: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fultimatemotorcycling.com%2F2017% 2F08%2F29%2F2018-bmw-k-1600-b-buyers-guide-specs-price%2F&psig=AOvVaw0JqzQSsvCzRKZWeCiRyJBQ&ust=1624511447829000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAcQjRxqFwoTCJj7zPD-rPECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAE

BMW 1600GTL: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zigwheels.com%2Fnewbikes%2FB MW%2F1600&psig=AOvVaw3HiWCFeUAo9iwW-OjIuJUM&ust=1624511522739000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAcQjRxqFwoTCKDwvpb_rPECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

BMW RT1200: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.motorcyclenews.com%2Fbike-reviews%2Fbmw%2Fr1200rt%2F2014%2F&psig=AOvVaw1Fy3AqnfLIcFhISnLzOFwU&ust=1624511480988000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAcQjRxqFwoTCNjakoD_rPECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAF

Kawasaki Concourse: https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.findmyyamaha.com%2FNew-Inventory-2021-Kawasaki-Motorcycle-Scooter-Concours-14-ABS-RideNow-SoCal-9663215&psig=AOvVaw3p8zorQ0kv9jCcIKTFXlZl&ust=1624511569496000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=0CAcQjRxqFwoTCKiA26v_rPECFQAAAAAdAAAAABAD

I've rode the the last two bikes professionaly. The difference between the two could be described at the BMW is like a Tomahawk Cruise Missile and the Kawasaki is like a Scud Missle. There a plenty of Concours for sale down here at prices under what you are looking to spend for your first bike.

I will probably get the K1600B for my next bike.

ber950

06-24-2021, 07:25 AM

Was looking at an Indian

If you looking for status and not just a ride an Indian is a great choice. Indian support is a little weak. If you plan to ride across the country I would go with a Harley or Honda. Dealerships in every major city.

CLEANDEAN

06-24-2021, 10:56 AM

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Jon Payne

06-24-2021, 12:46 PM

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It’s hard to be cool on a TW200, but here I am getting it done…

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coastalcop

06-24-2021, 12:58 PM

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It’s hard to be cool on a TW200, but here I am getting it done…

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Cant hack on a TW, the most modern of the agricultural bikes, ie one you REALLY CAN work on with the tool kit under the seat. I prefer my WR250R but would say no to a TW

Bit of thread drift but I just put nitro mousses in the WR, highly recommended if your not doing high speed asphalt runs rides normally and is physically incapable of getting a flat (guys have come home from a day of riding to find half a pair of pliers stuck in the carcass)

You also get your workout fitting the damn things ;)

henri

06-24-2021, 02:19 PM

coastalcop

06-25-2021, 04:36 AM

My current bike is a Triumph Speed Scrambler, retro look, long ride comfort, and pretty versatile if need to go on gravel roads. Harleys, never liked them, personal preference.
Simple advice to a first time rider, you are INVISIBLE, NO ONE can see you or hear you.

THIS. Ride as if everything and everyone is trying to kill you, it’s still fun but awareness needs to be up at 11. That drove my preference up in my current stable, I can jump a curb or median, or even run down or up the shoulder of an overpass at need. Couldn’t do that with my concours.

City next to ours uses drz400s as city bikes ( still uses full-size on the highways). And those guys are having a ball doing the things I described above. Only mods are a baton holder for the large mounted horse patrol style batons, a couple of led red and blues and the pd markings

Ryan Taylor

06-25-2021, 06:50 AM

There is a difference in riding motorcycles and being a "Biker", with a capital B.

Since you mentioned status, there are only really 2 bikes that come to mind.

BMW, and Harley.

BMWs are great bikes, yes (and I adore ANYTHING on 2 wheels), but they are very.... un-American.... Many of the club riders will wear riding gear that, while very visual and safe, looks alot like construction worker gear. The bikes are high quality, yet expensive, and just.... meh... I think they look gay (but they are a nice ride admittedly).

Harley. Not Indian. Indian Scouts are nice bikes, and they are admittedly DIFFERENT than a Sportster, but they dont call in the Cool Points like a Harley does. Everything else Indian (Polaris) makes is just a Harley copycat. One who owns a Harley IMEEDIATELY AND INSTANTLY has an In to many social clubs and is accepted to circles that wont accept any other type of bike. Many MC's are Harley only. There is the 'Harley Tax', however having owned Jap bikes and Harleys, a Harley is usually a better bike in terms of quality. Yes, I said quality. The bad rep Harley has is fed mostly by dudes who dont have one. Guys will quote 50 year old AMF problems the way AK guys quite M16 vietnam reliability issues. Totally retarded.

Harley too slow? Lol a stage 1 will change that.

Harley is VERY easy to maintain, dealerships and technicians are easy to find.

What I did was buy a second hand Sportster 883, rode it for like 7 months, and then upgraded it to a 1275 for about a grand. Open exhaust and intake (mine is a carbed version), and put a higher performance cam in it.

It will smoke the dog shit out of 98% of any bike out there, and honestly is faster than I am a good enough rider to handle all she has to give. The engine is EXTREMELY reliable and quite honestly is overbuilt.

I am currently saving up for a Road King (probably) but dont want to take out a note and want to pay cash.

Buying used bikes is 100% viable as bikes dont really age in the same way cars do. Not to say they hold their value better, but there is substantially less changes in bikes over , say, a 10 year period in a bike than there is in cars.

That is to say, a 15 year old Harley is still a Harley and is still cool.

To summarize, if you want COOL and status, plus a fucking awesome machine that will tickle your whistle anytime you please, Harley is the only option. Everything else will leave you wanting.

The only problem I see with Harley is the dealerships. They are like a fucking Texas Roadhouse, with wooden everything and Americana all over the walls, pushy sales guys who make fun of anyone NOT using a German (NAZI) style riding helmet. Seriously, Harley sales reps are idiots.

62-10

06-25-2021, 08:47 AM

...What I did was buy a second hand Sportster 883, rode it for like 7 months, and then upgraded it to a 1275 for about a grand. Open exhaust and intake (mine is a carbed version), and put a higher performance cam in it.

It will smoke the dog shit out of 98% of any bike out there, and honestly is faster than I am a good enough rider to handle all she has to give. The engine is EXTREMELY reliable and quite honestly is overbuilt.

I am currently saving up for a Road King (probably) but dont want to take out a note and want to pay cash.

Buying used bikes is 100% viable as bikes dont really age in the same way cars do. Not to say they hold their value better, but there is substantially less changes in bikes over , say, a 10 year period in a bike than there is in cars.

That is to say, a 15 year old Harley is still a Harley and is still cool...

A well-sorted Sporty (883/1200/1250/1275) is arguably one of the most under-rated bikes on the planet.

Backwoods Drifter

06-25-2021, 03:09 PM

Harley. Not Indian. Indian Scouts are nice bikes, and they are admittedly DIFFERENT than a Sportster, but they dont call in the Cool Points like a Harley does. Everything else Indian (Polaris) makes is just a Harley copycat. One who owns a Harley IMEEDIATELY AND INSTANTLY has an In to many social clubs and is accepted to circles that wont accept any other type of bike. Many MC's are Harley only. There is the 'Harley Tax', however having owned Jap bikes and Harleys, a Harley is usually a better bike in terms of quality. Yes, I said quality. The bad rep Harley has is fed mostly by dudes who dont have one. Guys will quote 50 year old AMF problems the way AK guys quite M16 vietnam reliability issues. Totally retarded.

Harley too slow? Lol a stage 1 will change that.

Harley is VERY easy to maintain, dealerships and technicians are easy to find.

What I did was buy a second hand Sportster 883, rode it for like 7 months, and then upgraded it to a 1275 for about a grand. Open exhaust and intake (mine is a carbed version), and put a higher performance cam in it.

It will smoke the dog shit out of 98% of any bike out there, and honestly is faster than I am a good enough rider to handle all she has to give. The engine is EXTREMELY reliable and quite honestly is overbuilt.

I am currently saving up for a Road King (probably) but dont want to take out a note and want to pay cash.

Buying used bikes is 100% viable as bikes dont really age in the same way cars do. Not to say they hold their value better, but there is substantially less changes in bikes over , say, a 10 year period in a bike than there is in cars.

That is to say, a 15 year old Harley is still a Harley and is still cool.

To summarize, if you want COOL and status, plus a fucking awesome machine that will tickle your whistle anytime you please, Harley is the only option. Everything else will leave you wanting.

I've owned several models of all the major Jap brands and because my older brother buys and sells everything on two wheels he can get his hands on, I've had plenty of opportunity to try the various BMWs, Ducatis, etc.

At one time, I too believed the myth that Harleys were unreliable, but now my opinion is that the opposite is true, and I've come to realize they are the easiest and lowest cost bikes to keep on the road because of their simplicity, (no valves to adjust, for example) commonality of parts between models and availability of parts for almost any model ever built. The dealer network and the vast network of independent shops is second to none in the U.S.

Currently, I have a 2002 Heritage Softail Classic that looks and rides like a brand new bike. Picked it up from a casual owner who had only managed to put 14K on the clock by 2019, when I bought it from him for well under your target price range. There are some great deals out there, and I had a like new 2007 Road King before that one as well as a 1200C Sportster. None of these bikes ever needed a wrench put on them other than to change the fluids every 5000 miles and rear tires at around 10K.

I do enjoy the ADV/dual-sport type of riding too and also keep a well-farkled Suzuki Vstrom 650 in the garage for long trips that sometimes involve a lot of unpaved surfaces. That one has taken me out to the Southwest from Mississippi twice and Arizona is one of my favorite places to ride and explore, so whatever you get, Gabe, you're living in two-wheel heaven already. The last trip in 2019 was to Grand Escalante in Utah and across the northern half of Arizona, but if there's one road that I'd rank right up there with the best to be found on this continent, it's Highway 191 in the eastern edge of the state from Clifton north to Alpine. Can't wait to get out that way again, this time on the Harley!

OB-1

06-25-2021, 06:37 PM

Goldwing. It has set the standard for touring bikes since the Goldwing Interstate was introduced in 1980.

45Smashemflat

06-25-2021, 06:43 PM

FWIW, I did own 2 AMF era Harleys. Avoid those like the plague, unless you just like wrenching. That said, they are still Harleys, and they have the cachet. (Although friends may not like how they mark their territory...)

I also rode many Honda cruisers. Bulletproof reliable, but In the end, Harley copies.

Then, the V Max and Honda V65 muscle bikes. If you want to shred rubber and wheelie, these are your rides.

The best tips given are to decide HOW you want to ride, then rent/borrow as many suitable bikes for that task, and choose what fits and suits you. Like Greg talks niche in weapons choice, very much the same.

Ryan Taylor

06-25-2021, 09:55 PM

Goldwing. It has set the standard for touring bikes since the Goldwing Interstate was introduced in 1980.

Ah, the RV of road machines! Total grandpa bikes.

At least the 1990's gold color will blend well with your calf high white socks and velcro over shoes!

This is, no bullshit, the second image that came up on my google search of GoldWing motorcycle:

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Greg Nichols

06-26-2021, 01:24 AM

Honda fury 1312cc is what I ride
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Ryan Taylor

06-26-2021, 08:56 AM

Honda fury 1312cc is what I ride
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Honda makes great machines, I was just teasing the Goldwing as a grandpa bike, when Honda used to sell the same bike in its Valkyrie version.

JDoza

06-26-2021, 09:14 AM

Honda fury 1312cc is what I ride
61664

That's nice looking... Do they make them for men also?

Jon Payne

06-26-2021, 09:29 AM

That's nice looking... Do they make them for men also?

Ooh damn! Shots fired!!!

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res308

06-26-2021, 09:53 AM

Honda fury 1312cc is what I ride
61664

I think that came from (at least the engine) the Honda VTX 1300 line. Years ago I had the privilege of riding a VTX1800. The VTX was one fine machine. I don’t know why they quit making them.

62-10

06-26-2021, 01:02 PM

Did a ride today...a few random thoughts from that ride...I strongly prefer two lane interesting roads instead of interstates...if the bike is not a joy to ride at 50mph, JRA (just riding along), then I don't want it...twin cylinder 270 degree crank bikes sound right to me...if I don't look back at least once after parking, then I'll get another bike.

Greg Nichols

06-26-2021, 07:02 PM

That's nice looking... Do they make them for men also?

I think you cum in men enough for both of us

JDoza

06-26-2021, 07:26 PM

I think you cum in men enough for both of us

Damn... Who hurt you?

jmoore

06-27-2021, 05:06 AM

...if I don't look back at least once after parking, then I'll get another bike.

Yep - that says it all!!! Otherwise your scoot is just transportation - and nothing wrong with that, either. Just have fun & be safe.

geezerjohn

USN-PO2

06-27-2021, 01:39 PM

Mostly depends on what your gonna do with the bike. Around town or longer trips
Been riding about 50 years or so. Have owned or road almost every brand. Current owner of a Honda Goldwing. Most of what I do is longer trips. For around town I'd go do some brand of v-twin cruiser.

steve_k

06-27-2021, 06:33 PM

Sadly my riding has been almost non-existent the last 5 or 6 years, but still have my BMW G650GS serviced and ready to go.

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Papa

06-28-2021, 09:41 AM

That thing looked any more German you'd have to paint it feldgrau.

ChuteTheMall

06-28-2021, 10:10 AM

It's more fun to ride a small bike fast than a big bike slow. - Confucious

Hondas are the Glocks of the motorcycle world. - Sun Tsu

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P.D.

06-28-2021, 02:59 PM

Hondas are the Glocks of the motorcycle world. - Sun Tsu

YEP!

Winchester67

07-02-2021, 06:27 PM

I started back in college with a Triumph Bonneville and shortly after that bought a Norton Commando as well. I was British bent when I was a young man, but later branched out...sport bikes (Kenny Roberts Edition RZ 350 LC, Ninjas, an Interceptor) cruisers, standards, dirt...I have enjoyed them all. My last bike? A well sorted Harley Davidson Sportster 1200. I generally rode solo, and it was nimble like my old British bikes but reliable. Rode from MO to Florida and the small peanut tank was fine because it forced me to hydrate whenever I had to stop for gas. I dare say if you are solo riding, and you should be just starting out, it is a great choice. They are reliable, the belt drive and hydraulic valves make routine driving easy, they sound right, and I think they look like a motorcycle should. Some "Harley Guys" will tell you it is a newspaper boys bike, but they are generally posers. If they are riding a soft tail Harley, which handle like a ripe banana with that stylish but limited travel suspension, offer to race them on a twisty road for pink slips. If they say it is too little to tour on...well, I will compare my road trip atlas to theirs. Heck, I am a car guy and there was even a time in my life when I only had a motorcycle!

Having said that, over 30 accident free years came from driving like everyone was out to get me and didn't even know I was there. I wonder, and frankly doubt, if I could go 30 years again without dropping the bike or getting in a wreck...drivers are so hooked on their cell phones these days I honestly think they are more of a danger than a driver that has had three drinks. Be careful out there.

Winchester67

07-02-2021, 06:31 PM

Good Lord. Was I really ever only 20 years old? The Triumph Bonneville was my first bike and pretty nimble, but the Norton Commando was faster. Later I got a Big Tank Interstate Norton 850 Commando...early 70's touring machine back before windshields were common on bikes.

Winchester67

07-02-2021, 06:39 PM

Ok, last one. My dorm room in college. Of course I rode my motorcycle in...I was not going to park on the street. When looking for direction back then, I always just asked myself "What would Elvis do?". He would not park on the street, I can tell you that.

doctom

07-05-2021, 02:18 PM

'98 Honda Valkrie. Still runs fantastic at over two decades old. When it was built it was the longest, heaviest, largest displacement and FASTEST cruiser on the planet. SIX cylinders, SIX carbs. Not easy on gas.

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BillyOblivion

07-05-2021, 04:12 PM

Motorcycles are like weapons in that role, niche and envelope are important.

You don't want to try riding cross country on a 250cc bike any more than you want to use a AR pistol with a brace for precision rifle work at 350 yards. Yeah, you *can* do it, but you're much better off suiting the tool to the job.

A long time ago someone said something to the effect of "Yeah, 90% of the people you'd ask would prefer a Harley. But 90% of the people don't know shit about motorcycles". That was over 20 years ago, and Harley has gotten a bit better since then, but so has everyone else.

Harley is an esthetic choice at the expense of functionality. Harley, and the general Harley community to not stress the "Gentleman" part of "Gentleman Killer". They (largely) embrace a form of the Thug Aesthetic. It's what accountants, school teachers and the like ride on the weekends to try to convince themselves that they aren't sheep, largely because of some sort of magical thinking about the 'if I wear the clothing of the wolf I are one' variety. Which I don't think suits you. They do get this from the esthetics of the motorcycle gangs, which range from merely violent criminals to organized psychopaths. Not a world I really want to be associated with. IMO Harley is the Mossberg or the Ruger of the motorcycle world.

Half the Harleys ever made are still on the road. The others made it home without breaking down.

I had a conversation with a sales manager of San Jose BMW back in late 2000 or 2001. He made a comment about people putting their motorcycles away for the winter in that area. I had just moved from Chicago, and asked "What winter". He replied "We don't sell motorcycles. We sell therapy to rich pansies."

Note that I've ridden BMWs half way across the country, and I like them. I'd trust a maintained 70s BMW more than a modern Harley. On some days I'll go trolling through Craigslist looking for an early 80s BMW R650, and figure out how to justify it. I can't really--I've got an imperfectly good Triumph Tiger in the garage that needs a tuneup and some new rubber. Triumph is about half way between the Ducati and the Japanese brands. They make pretty bikes that perform well, and that don't break down *all that much*.

I spent too like with a motorcycle as my primary transportation (with my wife having the family car) to trust Ducati. They're like all Italian vehicles--you don't really buy them, you rent them from your mechanic.

But damn they're pretty.

Japanese bikes are far more dependable than their American or European counterparts (except BMW), and--most importantly for me going forward--they have shops *everywhere*. You lose a gasket on a BMW you've got one dealer every 2-300 miles sometimes, and they won't be open Sunday, and maybe mot Monday.

For Japanese bikes, especially Hondas, the dealers don't sell therapy to rich pansies, street cred to accountants, or cool bikes to a certain class of "biker", they also sell toys to middle class folks, 4 wheelers and service to farmers, ranchers, and certain industrial clients. This means you have a *slightly* (but not great) chance of getting a bike repaired, or at least cobbled together to get back home. But they still think about what they sell as "toys" and not "daily vehicles". Which means they're more than happy to sell you a bike, and they're also confused when you get annoyed that they are going to take a two weeks or a month to fix your bike.

But for all the shade I'm trying, bikes are like most of the "name brand" guns in the world--Pretty reliable, pretty solid, and there's not "bad" choices, just good and better, again depending on the role and the envelope.

Of course, that brings it back to "role, niche, envelope". When think of buying a bike--at least the last time I did--I was thinking of riding it every day pretty much regardless of the (Bay Area San Francisco) weather. (role: Commuter vehicle, long distance riding). My envelope for this bike was 1 to 2000 miles. I learned the hard way that when you break down that unusual bikes...are hard to get serviced.

Everything changes if you change the role and the envelope. My daughter wants to learn to ride. She's 14. This means that next year she's going to take a dirt bike class. Then if she's still interested, we buy a couple of used "dual sport" bikes and a trailer. There the role is mixed road/dirt training bike and the envelope is--until she's ready--to and from the trailer.

So we're back to "role, niche, envelope".

If you're going to be travelling you want something that is reliable, and where you get it repaired. While I disparage Harleys, they tend to have lots of dealers out there. Triumph dealers are thin on the ground outside major cities, BMW a little better. KTM and Ducati are spotty as s*t. Kawasaki, Honda, Yamaha and Suzuki have large dealer networks, but service tends to be desultory.

If you're not planning on travelling, or not planning on doing it often, I would suggest the same thing that I would to a noob gun owner (sorry for the analogy), go to the dealers in your town, talk to them, look at the bikes, sit on the bikes. See how they feel see how you feel about them. See how you feel about the dealer.

Thing is, if you're...the age you are, and haven't *bought* a motorcycle yet...you either get a bike you *really* like, or your kids will sell it in 15 years after you've passed, and the ad will read "2021 <BRAND MAKE> for sale, 3200 miles" because you bought it, rode it a few times, then just...didn't feel like it.

When all you have is a motorcycle you ride. When you have an Audi, a Jeep and a Motorcycle you have to have a *reason* to ride the motorcycle. A reason to go through the extra effort of the boots, gloves, helmet and jacket. A reason to risk getting rained on (or to leave the garage in the rain), to have to deal with putting your stuff in a tank bag, panniers or tail trunk rather than just throwing your s*t on the passenger seat (or the floor).

That reason could be that every time you walk into the garage you get a little tingle in your loins at the thought of leaning into a corner, or that you *love* how the bike looks and feels, or how you look on the bike, or the fire roads you're going to explore, whatever reason it is *you* want a bike.

I want one because I simply prefer motorcycles to cars or trucks. Back when I was riding regularly I'd rather be wet, or cold, or hot than be in car. Once rode half way across the US at Christmas time on a 650 single rather than take a plane. I Still sort of feel that way. But I'm not normal. I mean, almost no one here is, but I'm abnormal in an abnormal way.

TO further extend the motorcycle::firearms analogy, and I'll apologize in advance if you already know this, but *training*. Motorcycles aren't like cars, they handle differently, they take different through corners, they react differently to hard braking. Front brakes are *WAY* more important than back brakes, and to get home alive you need to know this stuff.

I don't really like contemporary bike esthetics, but I love riding enough that given the choice between an Audi and a Suzuki Rebel 250, well, there's no real choice...I'll take the bike.

Travlin

07-05-2021, 05:03 PM

Harley is an esthetic choice at the expense of functionality. Harley, and the general Harley community to not stress the "Gentleman" part of "Gentleman Killer". They (largely) embrace a form of the Thug Aesthetic.

Most of the posers I see are in Pirate costumes, thug is more the rocket crowd around here.

BillyOblivion

07-05-2021, 08:15 PM

Most of the posers I see are in Pirate costumes, thug is more the rocket crowd around here.

If you limit "Thug" to mean "Urban 'Gangsta'", yeah, probably.

I'm using a more expansive definition of that. I consider the Hells Angel/Outlaws/Pagan *esthetic* to be a form of "Thug Aesthetic".

(Sorry for the changing spelling of Aesthetic/esthetic. It's coming out of my brain differently at different times this evening, and they're both technically correct, so they don't register as wrong).

Travlin

07-06-2021, 02:11 AM

Ah, got ya.

I suppose being around the culture for so long I can miss the big picture. Jeans tee and boots, add leather for the correct amount of environmental protection. I admit to looking like a black power ranger from time to time, a 600 mile day running 90 on the hiway is different than running to the bar for dinner. I always chuckle when I drop off the hiway for gas looking like 500 miles of shit and see parents quietly pull their children behind them. They don't get this scary guy has been involved with raising 100s of thousands of Dollars for kids and families in need, but that's a different side of the culture that is little known.

I start to differentiate between biker and poser when there are colors envolved (now we start to get into the costume). A vest covered in patches is part of a costume, outside of several notable Veteran and LEO groups. When you add the lower rocker is when I look for the exit, the costumed crew normally don't realise how fast things can go sideways with that dynamic involved. I have to admit though I find it pretty funny to watch a club member mud check a poser over his vest.

Sorry if this seems a bit disjointed but it's early and caffeine deprived right now.

Winchester67

07-06-2021, 10:42 AM

ballistic_ken

07-06-2021, 11:58 AM

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The KTM 990 adventure was perfect for me, Fast, powerful, and very off road capable.

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07-06-2021, 01:18 PM

coastalcop

07-07-2021, 05:25 AM

Used to know a guy that worked for FN that kept a dual purpose Kaw 650 in the garage at the office just as his "get home" bike. Run the median, fire roads, broken roads...if any vehicle could get thru, a Kaw 650 dual purpose was it. Makes sense to me. To the point I am thinking about getting one, just because. They are cheap and I miss two wheels...what is the harm in having a dual purpose bike?

The KLR (said as killer) is a heavy but great logging road, median, kick around bike. They can be had pretty cheap.

Heres a good vid on an EARLY model with lots of snarky humor to boot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvGZS5fqxrk

Nowdays I would look at a DRZ400 or my favorite a WR250R (the yamaha gives you fuel injection, lower weight, and a higher power to weight ratio without going to 500 mile oil changes )

Though if you wanted cutting edge and were willing to part with the coin the CRF 450l is the bees knees

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/buyers-guide/2020-honda-crf450l/

Theres a guy with over 10k on his 450l over on the tubes SAR guy out of colroado

For me a WR is light enough to use a hitch mount on the Excursion, will go 300+ miles on a tank (IMS oversized tank) and is pretty much unstoppable. 75mph isnt fun but it will do it . Fill it with Rec fuel (non ethanol) , throw in a Mousse in the tires, and you have something pretty well promising to get you home.

mrstang01

07-07-2021, 06:46 AM

[QUOTE=coastalcop;1
For me a WR is light enough to use a hitch mount on the Excursion, will go 300+ miles on a tank (IMS oversized tank) and is pretty much unstoppable. 75mph isnt fun but it will do it . Fill it with Rec fuel (non ethanol) , throw in a Mousse in the tires, and you have something pretty well promising to get you home.[/QUOTE]

a mousse in the tires, meaning Slime or equivalent?

coastalcop

07-07-2021, 09:07 AM

a mousse in the tires, meaning Slime or equivalent?

here , basically think of it like a pool noodle, nitrogen encapsulated in closed cell foam. Not the best for 65mph runs as it heats up a bit (though lots of folks use them regularly at those speeds) but IMPOSSIBLE to get a flat. Folks have come back from a day trip to find they ran over someones needle nose pliers and fed the whole thing through the carcass of the tire. Still ran the rest of the day no problems.

Last 2-3 tire swaps with care, then a new set though nitro mousse now has wedges to replace damaged sections of mousse. Also referred to as bibs

https://www.rockymountainatvmc.com/tires-and-wheels/nuetech-nitro-mousse-standard-progressive-platinum-foam-tube-p

and video with chicks and chainsaws ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zChvpEy1AQ&t=126s

116Echo

07-07-2021, 02:43 PM

I rode an old Pittsburgh Police FLHTP Electra Glide (2008) for 9 years and about 65K miles, now have a 2009 Heritage Softail. I miss my cop-glide, but it was just over 100K, and it had a tough life. My dirt bike is a Honda XR600R that is plated for street use in Pennsylvania. It's old, but it's relatively light, fast, air-cooled, and reliable as an anvil. The new Harley Pan America has gotten great reviews, I have a demo ride scheduled on one soon.

coastalcop

07-08-2021, 04:59 AM

rodanvssct

07-08-2021, 05:34 AM

the xr600r and the big red pig (XR650R) were/are great bikes.
I love my XR600L, but I also wish I had a dedicated street bike.

116Echo

07-08-2021, 03:35 PM

I love my XR600L, but I also wish I had a dedicated street bike.

It's nice to have a dedicated road bike too, that's why I got another big twin after I retired the Cop-Glide. I would've loved to have gotten another, but Harley doesn't equip the newer Police bikes with the air seat that my 2008 had. With that seat and the 103 six-speed, that Glide would eat up the miles.

116Echo

07-08-2021, 03:39 PM

the xr600r and the big red pig (XR650R) were/are great bikes.

I almost "upgraded" to the BRP, but the XR600R works just as well in the woods here in the east. The BRP is supposed be a great desert bike.

ctdair

07-09-2021, 08:30 AM

It's nice to have a dedicated road bike too, that's why I got another big twin after I retired the Cop-Glide. I would've loved to have gotten another, but Harley doesn't equip the newer Police bikes with the air seat that my 2008 had. With that seat and the 103 six-speed, that Glide would eat up the miles.

The current Harley coil spring mount can be converted to air ride if you wanted to. Depending on exactly how you choose to do it it can be done with a minimum of parts. Always available on eBay.

Tracker

07-14-2021, 08:02 PM

Ive only been on a bike 40+ years so take this for what Ive learned.

I own 3 bikes

1949 Indian Chief which was my Grandfathers ride, bought after his Army Air Force time in WWII

1998 Ducatti

2002 HD Softtail Nightrain

For a start, never again for Duc's every 1000 miles you need a valve job and my plastic is only pristine because its been hanging in a shop garage for 20+ years. In my younger years I thought fast was fun, but in controlled environments. After I fell 25 inches at 178mph, bike became more of a speed bike off the street.

The 49 is a wonderful machine as long as you spend 5-6 hours making sure it wont shed parts every time I start it. Bikes like that people will drive across 4 lanes of traffic to kill you. It stays home now.

The HD, Ive put 80k on it and love it. Its not fast, not a bike for twisties but its a rider.

My advice- buy the bike you want. Way too many people buy the bike everyone says they need for a starter bike, I say BS. Find one you love and love to ride

Unlike Jap bikes, unless you burn it or crush it you can rebuild a Harley in your living room.

Soren

07-31-2021, 08:56 AM

I've had a few bikes through the years. My last one was a Suzuki DRZ400, it was decent off-road but could have used a 6th gear for highway speeds. It will get up to 70 quickly, it just gets a little buzzy after that. A few months ago I put down some money to get a Yamaha Tenere' 700.....maybe I'll see it this fall.

buckcz

08-02-2021, 06:45 AM

I have a Yamaha XSR700 and love everything about it! It has classic styling but modern everything else. Plenty of power (73-hp but weighs only 410lbs). I use it as an adventure bike. Swapped out the tires to pirelli mt60s and. Hit the road. Did 1300 miles in northern michigan and upper peninsula this past week. Smiled the whole time. 6181161812

coastalcop

08-02-2021, 11:18 AM

So the bike bug bit me again. Tested rides from Triumph (scrambler), Indian (FTR), BMW RnineT and ended up trading in my Versys 650 for a Yamaha Mt-09 SP. Ohlins suspension in back, cruise control and a great seating position. Need to get a windscreen on it and have the comfort seat on order (I see a multi state trip in my future).

coastalcop

08-02-2021, 11:19 AM

Wanted to add, we have been talking about riding as though everyone on the road is trying to kill you. This Vid from Ryan Fortnine explains the scientific reasons why, in an easily digestible manner . Can also be applied to surveillance, and even cqb in certain circumstances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x94PGgYKHQ0

https://youtu.be/x94PGgYKHQ0

coastalcop

08-02-2021, 11:55 AM

And because its a captive audience here I figured I would post a couple other driving tips videos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiOGAYOXN8U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7x7k6iXM3w

BillyOblivion

08-03-2021, 07:51 PM

Since you mentioned status, there are only really 2 bikes that come to mind.

BMW, and Harley.

Nonsense.

I've owned (street bikes) a Kawasaki, two BMWs (R80 and a F650GS), a Honda Transalp (in Australia), and a Triumph Tiger (still sitting in my garage).

They were all decent bikes in their niche (well, the Kawasaki was a bit beat when I owned it).

BMWs are great bikes, yes (and I adore ANYTHING on 2 wheels), but they are very.... un-American....

What would be more American than something that can hold 140+ miles an hour through three or four western states?

Many of the club riders will wear riding gear that, while very visual and safe, looks alot like construction worker gear.

That's because many BMW riders will ride in the rain.

The bikes are high quality, yet expensive, and just.... meh...

Expensive?

Compared to a Harley?

I mean, they're not *cheap*, but Sportster (121hp, 94 lbs torque) starts out at about 15k, while a Roadster of similar engine size (131HP, 105 ftlb of torque MSRPs for 500 more..

I think they look gay (but they are a nice ride admittedly).

Um...Who rides in chaps and leather vests?

... however having owned Jap bikes and Harleys, a Harley is usually a better bike in terms of quality. Yes, I said quality.

You're out of your mind.

I know that Harley has improved in the last 3 decades. They *had to*, because they were a laughing stock. Honda Motorcycles are nearly as reliable as their cars, Kawasaki's and Yamahas are up there too.

I can't stand Harley's design aesthetic, I think it appeals to the sort of person who thinks that getting a tattoo and wearing a leather jacket makes them cool.

And no, I'm not much a fan of...well, anyone's aesthetic these days.

Harley too slow? Lol a stage 1 will change that.

My Triumph--a Tiger (adventure touring, not street/race bike) tops 120 in *third gear*, with only the "sport" muffler as an addon.

I've never bothered to see what it will do in 4th or 5th, because even 120 is too fast for the roads I ride on.

It will smoke the dog shit out of 98% of any bike out there,

Do you mean any bike, or any bike in the same engine class?

Frankly most 600 cc race bikes could eat it for lunch and go somewhere for dessert.

BillyOblivion

08-03-2021, 07:57 PM

If they say it is too little to tour on...well, I will compare my road trip atlas to theirs.

To be fair, most Harley guys weigh enough that they need a bike that size (which is also true of BMW and Goldwing riders, but they have the excuse of being old).

coastalcop

08-04-2021, 05:51 AM

Rode a cafe-ed out kz1000 (think of what the toecutter rode in mad max) from omaha to sturgis in one go and raced spearfish canyon in 92. Ended up watching foghat live at buffalo chip and sleeping under a tarp tied to my bike... Good times. Took a versys 650 on a multi state 4000 mile trip a couple years ago without issue. While the bike can be selected or tuned for a focused purpose (and usually are), the rider can expand the envelope, I did a couple hundred miles of forestry road (admittedly Not two or single track) on a concours 1400.

Plan on taking my new MT-09 on a multi state trip in the near future, a couple of mods and some determination and it shouldnt be an issue, plus I will be able to rip any twisties I get on the trip.

Jon Payne

03-30-2022, 07:01 AM

Reviving this one. Here's my light weight Adventure/Dual Sport, 2021 Honda CRF 300L Rally. I've had it for about a month and I love it. I'm still eyeballing cruisers with special attention being paid to the Indian Chief Bobber and the Triumph Bobber. Honorable Mention goes to the Honda Rebel 1100. 62703

Ryan Taylor

03-30-2022, 08:27 AM

Jon Payne

03-30-2022, 09:07 AM

Ill probably buy a dual sport when I get back. Theyre just too much fun.

The Indian Cheif reminds me too much of a Harley to not just get a Harley, especially for the price. Just my opinion, I like cruisers.

Look at the difference in quality and technology when comparing the Harley to the Indian. Of course it’s all subjective when it comes to appearance, but I see Indian having their own flair and style.

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TrailDave

04-01-2022, 08:23 AM

coastalcop

04-01-2022, 03:04 PM

I did it in reverse. I've been riding since I was 21, but took some years off after kid #2 came. I never stopped loving it, and followed the industry for the 8 years I was without a bike. I got back into it last year when my wife turned to me and asked if she could get her endorsement (I married way WAY up!). So, I bought a 2013 Triumph Thunderbird Storm (pic isn't mine, but looks just like mine) at the end of last summer. Flew from my home in NE down to Oklahoma City to buy it, then rode it home...what a great trip. We recently got my wife a Bonneville T100 and now I'm on the hunt for a V-strom 1000 for us to do some touring and light off-road work (mostly maintained gravel roads -- there's not a lot of public land for honest dual-sport and dirt/bike riding in western NE).

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If you’re looking at the strom, also consider the super tenere, and the Africa twin. They are all of a price, and the super T will give you cruise and shaft drive.

I’ve owned all three and still love my ATAS. The strom was fun but was tuned , airboxed and twin titanium pipes. It was a rooster but lacked engine protection without a massive skid plate. Easy wheelie with a slight twist of the wrist in the first three gears.

For carrying a passenger, I would more seriously consider the super T or the Africa twin adventure sport.

I bought the atas with the DCT transmission . After I added a left hand rear brake, the awesome sauce is wonderful and is more capable than the other two riding solo

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gPXAA1hFZNY

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BgD1WJFG2dw

steve_k

04-02-2022, 08:50 AM

Damn, this thread is telling me I need to get back in to riding. Been riding street and off-road most of my life, but since moving to WA in 2015 riding has been placed on the side lines for too many poor excuses.

My latest ride that I scored in 2012 is this BMW G650GS dual sport, although in factory configuration its 80% street and 20% dirst, if that. It's a total pig in anything remotely soft. However most of my dirt experience was on my 275lb(something like that) Suzuki RM250 dirt bikes with 12 inches of front and rear travel that would take 5ft drop off in to a wash smoother than a car going off a curb. Other then that it is a great bike that I use to hop on every Saturday or Sunday morning and ride out from San Diego to Palm Springs, Borego Springs, Ocotillo Wells, Palomar Mountain, or all of them to go grab breakfast and maybe do a lap around the Salton Sea before heading home. It's all stock except for some creature comfort items such as lowered foot pegs for more leg room, bar risers, taller wind screen, GPS, tail bag/box, side cases, higher seat foam, heated grips, and a plug in for heated jacket liner. It's been a very reliable bike except for a recall that had to be done to solve a warm start issue. The only thing I wish it had was a 6th gear for long freeway stretches, but will still run smooth at 65-70ish for hours. Unloaded I think I was easily getting about 65+mpg if cruising, loaded up in the pix below is 40 to 50mpg depending on road conditions and speeds.

Pictures are from my 2015 road trip when I flew back to SD to bring it up to Washington. Rode from my buddies place in Temecula up 395 and in to Nevada, Oregon, and then home. Lots of rain during the ride and the BMW riding gear kept me dry except for small section at the front waist since it's a 2 piece suit.

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Winchester67

04-11-2022, 11:28 AM

Backwoods Drifter

04-11-2022, 04:23 PM

You know, I was a bike guy since age 19. But the landscape has changed a lot since then. Gabe, as a friend, I am telling you motorcycles are done. Off road yes, but on road? The time has passed. Trust me. And I hate to say it. I absolutely love motorcycles...but the time has passed since it was ok/safe to drive one. Kids and phones...sorry. It is no longer smart. And Gabe, you have never drawn a stupid breath in your life. Don't start now. If I had a heart, I suspect I would be crying right about now.

Yeah, motorcycling on the road is dangerous. So is f***ing married women, but it's fun!

I see drivers doing stupid stuff everyday, most of it involving phones. The risks are there, but like most risks in life, they can be managed. Situational awareness is the key to survival on a motorcycle (and in any vehicle these days). Ride like you're invisible and anticipate every dick move the other guy/gal can possibly pull.

59 and been riding since I was a kid. I'll never give it up.

I do understand the sentiment though regarding not encouraging a friend who has lived without it this long to take up riding. Everyone has to weigh the risks for themselves and make that decision. I generally neither encourage or discourage anyone, unless they come to me with a genuine interest in my bikes and I know it is path they are determined to take regardless.

Jack Rumbaugh

04-12-2022, 06:41 AM

I bought a project bike last year and I hope to start restoring her soon.
2002 Honda CBR1100XX Super Blackbird.

This is the current state:
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And how I hope to end up:

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coastalcop

04-12-2022, 03:14 PM

How could I go wrong right? I’ve been harping on everyone to get involved in local politics if they wanted to keep their AO sane and have a direct impact on decision making. So I put my money where my mouth is. One of my buddies retired from the PD about 10 years ago, at that time I presented him with the award of

“ Grand Illuminati of the order of the shining nightstick” and a gold anodized mag light. My buddy would show up at high noon on a backup call, not the biggest or fittest guy ( skinny not stacked) BUT he would always have that 5 cell with him. ShortLy after arrival you would hear the distinctive “tink” of light meeting perp or anyone he thought was too close to the action.

After he retired he ran for Constable and won, holding the office for 8.5 years. He did a great job and would still roll up on interesting calls. However some serious medical issues hit my good friend recently, everyone prayed, and he is NOT one to give up. Thankfully he survived and will get to spend time with his lovely wife.

I looked into the constitution for Texas, the atty general opinions, and determined that I could wear two hats so to speak legally. I got appointed to fill the unexpired term, and won the election in March. I get to do it again in 2024.

What is a Constable? Well it depends on your state. In Texas they are elected peace officers. The easy explanation is if the Sheriff is Budweiser , then the Constable is Bud Light. All the authority, fewer responsibilities. The pay sucks currently, but I will address that next budget cycle, I’m collecting two checks anyway so it’s still an uptick.

Bonus is that in Texas with the approval of the elected official or department head, you can use a personally owned vehicle as a “police vehicle” ( how it is described in the code). Now seeing as my “primary” agency issues me a G-ride, and the car the former Constable had is totaled, I gave myself permission to use my Honda Africa Twin as my Constables ride. Last budget cycle the commissioners gave the other Constables 50k to get a new ride , so hopefully the 300 a month vehicle allowance I’m asking for in the upcoming cycle will appear as a significant savings based on replacement cost/service life.

While I love having a “motor” to work with ( I ride on my off time a lot) , I had to decide what my essentials list was for a motor.

I won’t have the space I have in the normal ride , but I do want the ability to project violence when needed, and keep some of my toys with me just in case, as I still respond to interesting calls.

That led me to decide that I didn’t like the gun mounts offered for motors. So I sourced a cz scorpion micro with a folding brace and a Nanuk 935 travel case to serve as my top box. Everything fits like a dream, still have room for a deftech 25 if I want one , and it fits and hides nicely in the case whether I’m doing my gig, or packed for a road trip.

Here are the pics for that long preamble