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Marco Innocenti
06-03-2019, 09:55 PM
Was in NYC/Brooklyn over the weekend for a wedding.

This was the EDC for the trip.

Reppin’ SI behind the East Coast Curtain!

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CaptShack
06-03-2019, 11:40 PM
Marco,

Nice EDC, You were ready for anything, especially for behind the Iron Curtain. You were representing SI with aplomb and sophistication. Concealed means concealed, and am glad the STASI was oblivious to the exercise of your right as a free man.

Johnny C!
06-04-2019, 03:00 AM
I concur.

Well done, sir.

psalms23dad
06-04-2019, 05:56 AM
Not to derail the thread but do you really trust a liner lock knife? I know that Emerson is a popular brand and very well made but the liner lock is a very weak and flawed design imo.

Marco Innocenti
06-04-2019, 07:04 AM
Capt. Shack: To be fair, as a retired cop I can “legally” carry in NYC. But of course their local rules severely limit magazine capacity and other things, hence the 43 instead of my usual 19. And the number of businesses I saw in Brooklyn with “No Firearms Allowed” signs was surprising, considering how restrictive/exclusive their CCW’s are. (As stated, concealed meant concealed.)

When I checked the weapon per airline regulations flying home from JFK, Port Authority Police AND TSA had to inspect it. The two PA cops were easy-going about it and there was no hassle. One of them was pretty interested in the RMS on my 43. But JFK and La Guardia are the only airports where I have experienced this extra layer of scrutiny. I usually fly in/out of Newark and have never had any interactions with the local constabulary, just the standard TSA screening. (The S.O. I retired from issues a yearly LEOSA-qualified letter every year, in addition to our I.D. Cards. I started putting a photocopy of the letter in the locked transport case when I fly to ensure “smooth transitions.”)

I took the Choir Boy on my person/through security at SFO and JFK with no issues.

Psalms23Dad: As far as the Emerson, I’ve never had a problem with their liner locks. I’ve carried/used them for about 20 years. Started with a CQC7, then went to a Super Commander, now the CQC15 for the last several years. I’ve used them pretty hard on duty/off; to include prying open windows, popping door locks, cutting people out of seatbelts in wrecks, cutting a rape/kidnap victim out of some duct tape, plus all the “usual” stuff. There are some other “quality” brands whose liner locks I would not trust in the same manner, but I do like/trust my Emerson.

jesselp
06-04-2019, 07:24 AM
That's a nice loadout.

FYI, local LEOs are allowed magazines over 10 rounds - I'm not sure if it applies to LEOSA carry or not, but your full capacity G19 mags may have been good to go. I don't think I've ever seen a "no guns allowed" sign in NY, so that's interesting.

My "upstate" full carry permit is no good in the five boros, but I have carries a Choir Boy with me all over NYC and through many an airport screening without issue. The law just changed within the last week re-defining a "gravity knife" to no longer make pretty much every locking folder illegal in NYC. I'll be retiring my friction-lock folders purchased special for NYC visits and carrying my usual EDC knife going forward. Even with the new law, however, the knife must be 100% hidden - no pocket clips visible. I clip a Surefire Stiletto to my pocket and have never been stopped by a cop thinking it was a knife, but I'm sure it will happen eventually and make for an interesting story.

I'm going into the city less and less these days...

Johnny C!
06-04-2019, 08:27 AM
Not to derail the thread but do you really trust a liner lock knife? I know that Emerson is a popular brand and very well made but the liner lock is a very weak and flawed design imo.

What other locking mechanism do you consider to better
than a liner lock?

My standard EDC shown below.

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John

Tyler
06-04-2019, 09:10 AM
Get a ZT Emerson!

62-10
06-04-2019, 10:10 AM
That's a nice loadout.

FYI, local LEOs are allowed magazines over 10 rounds - I'm not sure if it applies to LEOSA carry or not, but your full capacity G19 mags may have been good to go. I don't think I've ever seen a "no guns allowed" sign in NY, so that's interesting.

My "upstate" full carry permit is no good in the five boros, but I have carries a Choir Boy with me all over NYC and through many an airport screening without issue. The law just changed within the last week re-defining a "gravity knife" to no longer make pretty much every locking folder illegal in NYC. I'll be retiring my friction-lock folders purchased special for NYC visits and carrying my usual EDC knife going forward. Even with the new law, however, the knife must be 100% hidden - no pocket clips visible. I clip a Surefire Stiletto to my pocket and have never been stopped by a cop thinking it was a knife, but I'm sure it will happen eventually and make for an interesting story.

I'm going into the city less and less these days...

I considered NYC's prior "interpretation" of NYS's "gravity blade" restriction as a farce, given that NYC's own Administrative Code does not prohibit concealed FB's (subject to blade length restriction for carry).

Did NYS amend the subject act, or repeal and replace with a new section?

Marco Innocenti
06-04-2019, 02:49 PM
Jeeselp: The way I read the laws, active LEO’s are GTG with standard gear/magazines, but us retired cops are restricted to their current BS regs.

I know there are challenges going through the NY courts sand likely heading to SCOTUS, but sine I was with the wife I just wasn’t interested in pushing the envelope.

Funny because the Port Authority cops at JFK mentioned that I even had the “retired guys magazines.”

And that is such garbage that an NY state CCW is not honored in NYC.

San Francisco has tried doing that in CA, and even tried get active cops to have to swap out their duty mags for 10-rounders when they went off duty. So far they have been unsuccessful.

henri
06-04-2019, 07:10 PM
With all due respect, you're a retired LEO had the appropriate credentials; question is, if you were not, would that still be what you took to the city as plain Joe citizen?

Marco Innocenti
06-04-2019, 08:19 PM
Henri: Good question. I’m not totally familiar with NY state law and NYC-specific laws/ordinances, but have done some research on them.

I’m quite sure that NY/NYC has city laws separate from the concurrent state laws for unlawfully carrying a concealed firearm, with separate enhancements for it being loaded. Plus separate statutory violation(s) for carrying magazines that violate their state law(s) on capacity.

I’m confident that the District Attorney of whatever NYC borough you were arrested in would charge every possible violation they could both state and city, and stack the consequences to the fullest. (I spent a little time with the Head of the Manhattan D.A.’s office when she was visiting my city and also did some cases/wrote some out-of-state Search Warrants for their office when I was still working. They are very serious/letter-of-the law about firearms violations.) I’m pretty sure they would also to try to charge you in such a way to prevent you from owning firearms in the future.

So I would have to decide how much exposure I would be willing to risk/how many charges I would want to fight if I got caught, and the totality of the consequences if I lost in court.

I’m usually an all or nothing kind of person, so if I was going into NYC “under and dark,” without CCW privileges to lose in the first place, I would probably go a little heavier.

As a retired LEO, I was not willing to risk losing my credentials and National CCW “privilege” from my certifying agency over just their magazine capacity statute.

In the end, it comes down to your own level of risk tolerance.

jesselp
06-05-2019, 08:49 AM
I’m not sure if this is still true, but I remember hearing from a friend in the NYPD that back in the ‘80s if you were caught in Manhattan with drugs, you were likely to get off with a slap on the wrist - but if you were caught with a gun, they’d throw the book at you. Conversely, in the outer boroughs if you were caught with drugs, you’d do time, but gun charges were unlikely to be serious.

Manhattan jury pools all knew someone with a weed or coke habit, but didn’t know anyone who had a gun. Outer boroughs jury pools considered drugs to be destroying their communities, but - due to the drug violence - totally understood why an otherwise law-abiding person would choose to ignore the draconian NYC gun regulations.

henri
06-05-2019, 07:32 PM
Appreciate your response, PM sent.