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emtdaddy1980
12-12-2018, 06:42 PM
My 10yr anniversary is coming up and when my wife asked what I wanted my answer was that I'd like a quality watch. I've worn casio and the like for years but I'd like something with a little more class and style, but still rugged enough for daily/work wear. I've limited my search to divers with a water resistance of at least 20 atm, and I'd also like it to be a self winding automatic that can be hand wound if need be... Most of the offerings with an ETS or other swiss movement are probably more than I want to invest in a daily wear watch so I believe I've narrowed it down to a seiko movement in the 4r35, 4r36, or 6r15 range.

My question is in regard to the miyota 8215 movement. A particular watch made by Spinnaker caught my eye but it uses the older 8215 movement, which is in keeping with the retro diver look of the watch (picture a 1964 AM DB5 in watch form). Anyone familiar with this movement in terms of reliability? I know it CAN be hand wound but lacks the ability to hack seconds, so maybe not AS precise as the seiko movements.

My other question is in regards to the crystal. What are the tribes thoughts on sapphire crystal for scratch resistance vs seiko Hardlex for overal durability but possible to show scratches?

Thank you in advance for your input.

Be Courageous And Strong.
Joshua 1 vs 7

Christopher Calhoun
12-12-2018, 07:34 PM
My favorite is the Seiko SKX007. Second place would be Orient Mako II. Both run great. Both are reasonably tough.


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Mike Heckathorn
12-12-2018, 07:49 PM
A Bulova Oceanographer reissue (ďDevil DiverĒ was the original nickname due to its 666í depth rating) has almost followed me home twice.
https://www.watchreviewblog.com/bulova-oceanographer-devil-diver-watch-review/


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Gabriel Suarez
12-12-2018, 08:09 PM
Omega 300m Chrono for usual
Rolex Two Tone Sub for dress occasions

EDELWEISS
12-12-2018, 08:28 PM
Ive been wearing a Rolex GMT Master daily since 1990, except for routine service. They aren't cheap; but they are worth the money. My second choice is the Omega Speedmaster, given the choice I opt for the Dark of the Moon edition. Again they aren't cheap.

In the sub 1K range look at Seiko and Marathon.

emtdaddy1980
12-12-2018, 09:04 PM
I love the look and feel of the Omega and Rolex, just not in my range right now. Maybe when the little ones are grown. I believe I'm going the seiko route. I like the looks of the skx007 but I'd rather have the hand winding and hacking ability that comes with the 4r36 movement as opposed to the 7s26 movement on the skx which is automatic winding only.

I believe I've landed on this one.
It ticks all my criteria without being too high as to be irreplaceable should I break it while subduing a tweaker.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181213/85338c3365b7330043c9115199acbea6.jpg

Be Courageous And Strong.
Joshua 1 vs 7

EDELWEISS
12-12-2018, 09:09 PM
That's a GREAT choice

Greg Nichols
12-12-2018, 09:56 PM
Check out Invicta. I have 3 or 4 and they're bulletproof swiss made time pieces in the $600 ish range

10power
12-13-2018, 03:35 AM
Check out Helson Watches.

They have a 15% off Christmas deal going now which will put you right under $600 for many of their models.

I have 2 Shark Diver 42's with the Miyota 9015 that have been oustanding.

TFA303
12-13-2018, 06:34 AM
For value, also look at Crown and Caliber for vintage/used premium watches.

https://www.crownandcaliber.com/collections/mens#/filter:mfield_global_movement_type:Automatic

kbak67
12-13-2018, 08:57 AM
as a customer I second Crown and Caliber for pre-owned luxury. I have purchased two from them, and ended up returning one and it was hassle-free. They answer questions on the phone, and provide alot of assistance towards higher end purchases so you get what you want.

On the mid level, and while I own a SKX007, I like the Turtles for a bit more (SRP775, SRP773, etc) because they have handwind. only thing I hate about the SKX is not having hand wind. I also like Strapcode's bracelets as add-ons because the SKX bracelet is very 'tinny' to me.

a bit more money..have you looked at Hamilton watches with their automatic movements. Their field watches are highly regarded, and they have (if I'm correct) Swiss movements, though they are a bit more than the Seikos.

I would comment on Hamilton first hand but the one I just ordered is still in transit.

thewolverine
12-13-2018, 09:08 AM
Try Gnomen watches as well. They have some other Swiss options like Alpina and ORIS as well as Seiko and also Steinhart which is made in Augsburg, Germany. I believe they are in Malaysia but their shipping is fast via DHL.
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/

krav51
12-13-2018, 11:56 AM
check out Nite watches.They just introduced an automatic,i have their quartz Icon model and it's a great watch from a great company.And the tritium is so bright at night you can read with it:)Ball also makes great stuff,but a little more expensive.

coastalcop
12-14-2018, 07:18 AM
Try Gnomen watches as well. They have some other Swiss options like Alpina and ORIS as well as Seiko and also Steinhart which is made in Augsburg, Germany. I believe they are in Malaysia but their shipping is fast via DHL.
http://www.gnomonwatches.com/


I have a stein hart titanium diver that’s been flawless. I used it to replace my Tudor Pelagos ( that i found I wasn’t wearing as much ). Though day to day I’m actually wearing a Fitbit charge 3 most of the time. It’s 50m waterproof, vibrates when I have a call , shows texts received, alerts to my calendar on my phone and has a good vibrating alarm if I need to get up . I charge it every three days or so for a couple hours and wear it the rest of the time.

It relegated my stein hart to my dress function watch.

IANative
12-14-2018, 08:25 AM
Need input on reasonably priced Automatic.

What is your budget?

I work a Seiko Orange Monster Auto for about 10 years, until one day it started slowing down and eventually stopped. I don't know why, I haven't taken it in to have it looked at since I have other options, but I do love that watch. Since then I've worn my Casio Rangeman about 95% of the time, but my "nice" watch option is my Tag Aquaracer... which I believe can be had in an Auto, too.

Greg Nichols
12-14-2018, 08:55 AM
I only have one auto and stopped wearing it because I'm constantly rotating watches and don't own a rotating case to keep it running.

John_Frederick
12-14-2018, 12:50 PM
What is your budget?

I work a Seiko Orange Monster Auto for about 10 years, until one day it started slowing down and eventually stopped. I don't know why, I haven't taken it in to have it looked at since I have other options, but I do love that watch. Since then I've worn my Casio Rangeman about 95% of the time, but my "nice" watch option is my Tag Aquaracer... which I believe can be had in an Auto, too.Automatics will not run forever... They need to be serviced. Parts wear down and oil dries up.
Preventative folks have their mechanical watches serviced roughly every 5 years while others wear them till they are forced to service them... Both methods have plusses and minuses, but either way it has to be done.

IANative
12-14-2018, 01:50 PM
Automatics will not run forever... They need to be serviced. Parts wear down and oil dries up.
Preventative folks have their mechanical watches serviced roughly every 5 years while others wear them till they are forced to service them... Both methods have plusses and minuses, but either way it has to be done.

Understood. To whom would you recommend I turn to have a Seiko Orange Monster serviced? Seiko? Third party?

coastalcop
12-14-2018, 02:24 PM
Understood. To whom would you recommend I turn to have a Seiko Orange Monster serviced? Seiko? Third party?


NOT Rolex ; , the last service on my XOs two tone oyster was about $650.00. And that is from a certified master that I trust not to screw me. In retrospect there were a couple of parts that had to be replaced, and I might look at it from the engine perspective of I have to replace the alternator and waterpump and that would be about the same with labor.

I’ve sent a 007 to seiko for a rebuild before several years ago. I got it back with a minimal bill. I did include a letter explaining how I counted in on it for my job, how it helped me, and that I was happy to have my endorsement published if they wanted too. I don’t know if that helped or not.

In that note, TELL folks if a product works and helps you . After hurricane Harvey, I sent out several letters to manufacturers telling them what worked, what didn’t, and what could be improved upon ( in my view).

I’ve sent a few letters to Gabe about his products and techniques, openly saying he was welcome to use my letters to push a good product without compensation for whatever he figured my word was worth ( it and $4.50 will get a latte at Starbucks). I haven’t seen my “endorsement ‘ used but curioslly though, my last slide came back with tritium front and rear “8” sights when I ordered front only......and not a word from Gabe as to why ..... but it DID work better with the “8” front/rear than the front alone. Gabe’s good people that way.

John_Frederick
12-14-2018, 04:07 PM
Understood. To whom would you recommend I turn to have a Seiko Orange Monster serviced? Seiko? Third party?

Any competent local watch repair place should be able to handle your Seiko... That is an extremely common movement that they should all be very familiar with.
But sending it back to Seiko is just as good and may provide you more piece of mind.


NOT Rolex ; , the last service on my XOs two tone oyster was about $650.00. And that is from a certified master that I trust not to screw me. In retrospect there were a couple of parts that had to be replaced, and I might look at it from the engine perspective of I have to replace the alternator and waterpump and that would be about the same with labor.


You got a very good price... When a Rolex needs replacement parts you are usually talking around 1k and possibly much more.
But just a routine inspection/tune up is going to be $500, so there you go.
One guy spends $500 every 5 years and another guy lets his go till it breaks and spends 1k every 10 years. But these are just rough averages and YMMV... One Rolex may go unserviced for 20 years and just be 3 minutes slow per day.

IANative
12-14-2018, 05:00 PM
Any competent local watch repair place should be able to handle your Seiko... That is an extremely common movement that they should all be very familiar with.
But sending it back to Seiko is just as good and may provide you more piece of mind.

Thanks. Watch is boxed up with a repair form and on its way back to Seiko tomorrow.

OP, this is my Seiko Orange Monster Automatic. My most-worn watch for most of the last 10 years. I think I paid around $250 for it.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A6U5THyr-iI/Tm917UJ3F0I/AAAAAAAAAHo/9qqbvVqqCSM/s1600/_Seiko-orange-monster1.jpg


(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-A6U5THyr-iI/Tm917UJ3F0I/AAAAAAAAAHo/9qqbvVqqCSM/s1600/_Seiko-orange-monster1.jpg)

Redneck Zen
12-14-2018, 08:13 PM
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Left to right: SNE109 Seiko Solar diver. It's not expensive -- sub $200 -- not bad looking and accurate as heck. I always wanted an orange face watch, just like my aviator friends. And since we're in the 21st Century, I thought I'd try a solar. I probably wear this more than any other watch I currently have -- I don't have to worry about winding it or resetting it, so it's a simple to just put it on and forget it. It's my knockaround watch, but oddly, it doesn't show much wear. The bezel is a departure from the traditional pieces, but I like it, and the luminescence is remarkable. I ditched the rubber strap for a small collection of Zulus; funny how you can change the look of watch with something as simple as a piece of nylon.

Seiko 7002-7001. I bought this for $100 from a Bahraini jeweler in Saudi Arabia just before the 1991 ground war kicked off. At a time when all my friends were "G-Shocked" I was attracted to this, my first automatic. I never took it off for the whole deployment and the two of us had some interesting experiences. You wouldn't think a journalist for Uncle Sam could get into so much trouble, but c'est la vie, c'est la guerre!

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The 7002-7001 came with a rubber strap, but after the war I switched to metal, which cost more than I paid for the watch. I called it my hillbilly Rolex. Of course, when the Zulus and NATOs came out, I had to get one just like what Commander Bond wore in Goldfinger. When it began losing 5 minutes a week I had it serviced for $175 at the Seiko service center in New Jersey. A few years ago it started losing time again, but rather than invest more $$ in it my wife suggested we put that toward a new timepiece. I still wear it on occasion out of nostalgia. Plus, that band just looks so cool.

Seiko SRP775. I love this watch! This came out a couple of years ago to great fanfare -- for a little under $300 you get an homage to the old Vietnam era timepieces ... Capt. Willard (Martin Sheen) wears one in Apocalypse Now, for whatever that's worth.

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Oh look ... in The Wild Geese Richard Harris (portraying Colonel Mike Hoare) likes his Seiko, too.

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The SRP775 a heavy bitch, and the fit, finish and overall craftsmanship says you spent more money than you actually did. Like my other Seikos, the luminescence is awe-inspiring! My wife suggested the gold trim since my others were all stainless, and I think that was not a bad choice; it looks a little dressy, but not in a cheap way. I thought about putting the Bond Zulu on it, but it looks so good with the metal band and if I really wanna go for the 1960s spy look I can always wear my "war watch."

While the SRP775 is an automatic, I love that you can hand wind it. And if you wanna put in the effort you can sync the second hand. It's not as accurate as the solar watch, but in my retired life I don't care. My understanding is that the SRP775 movement is head and shoulders above the old 7002-7001 in terms of accuracy and lifespan. If I ever have to run out the door with one watch and leave everything else behind, this will be it.

reforger2002
12-15-2018, 06:34 AM
While a little pedestrian I really like my Seiko 5 and it's quite affordable

Redneck Zen
12-15-2018, 07:19 AM
While a little pedestrian I really like my Seiko 5 and it's quite affordable

The Seiko 5s are great. Their movements are better than my old 7002-7001. They look good and won't give you heartache (or break your wallet) if you lose or abuse them.

eaboecke
12-15-2018, 08:48 AM
Any recommendations on quartz watches? I have an automatic Seiko and I donít wear it enough to keep it wound.



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MRapp
12-15-2018, 09:26 AM
Take a look at RESCO Instruments. I have a number of their watches. All of my RESCO's are quartz movements. They do offer auto's if that's your preference. The watches are bulletproof and they're my daily wear. Customer service is top notch.

Mike Heckathorn
12-15-2018, 10:57 AM
Any recommendations on quartz watches? I have an automatic Seiko and I donít wear it enough to keep it wound.



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Iíve got an 800 series Movado that I absolutely love.


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Sharkbite
12-15-2018, 11:29 AM
Citizen eco drive. $ 300 - $ 600 range. I have a now discontinued version of the promaster dive watch that I have a history with. Bullet proof.

Redneck Zen
12-15-2018, 11:49 AM
Any recommendations on quartz watches? I have an automatic Seiko and I don’t wear it enough to keep it wound.



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If you like Seiko look at their solar watches. Mine works great, it's got a Japanese quartz movement, but with the solar no battery changes to worry about. The look of mine is a departure from the traditional dive watches, but they now make some that look more like the older ones like the SNE441 and SNE435P1. The SSC021 is a chrono if you like lots of buttons and dials. All have that heavy duty look of the automatics and are dive rated to 200m, which speaks to their durability potential.

Also, Citizen makes some solar quartz dive watches that look nice. FWIW, Citizen calls their solars "Eco-Drive." The BNO150 has that Seiko dive look and has great reviews. The British military likes Citizen Eco-Drives well enough to buy some for their divers.

Anywho, there's no reason to not try a solar. As much as I like my automatics, I can see getting a solar if they ever make one as sexy as the so-called "Turtle."

MichaelJames
12-16-2018, 07:45 AM
+1 on the Citizen Eco-Drive. I have one that my wife gave me and have worn it all over the world. It's a great looking watch and not terribly pricy.
My daily wear these days is an Omega Planet Ocean, but I keep the Citizen on the nightstand and it runs just fine.

Herbert West
12-16-2018, 10:55 AM
I'm a bit of watch snob, and have about 20 or so, but if you could only have one watch :-), it would be a stainless Rolex submariner.

CaptShack
12-16-2018, 11:22 AM
I enjoy my Redux and Company Courg watch. Some of the qualities are; Titanium Type 5, 20 atm, hacking, NH35A, 51 grams, date, different faces, good lume, all for $450. It has been flawless for me for a few years. Most of the time I have a Garmin Fenix 5X on, but the Courg is my casual dress watch and have taken it diving to 100+ ft. It is a beautiful tool type simple WWII military styled watch.

emtdaddy1980
12-16-2018, 12:10 PM
I enjoy my Redux and Company Courg watch. Some of the qualities are; Titanium Type 5, 20 atm, hacking, NH35A, 51 grams, date, different faces, good lume, all for $450. It has been flawless for me for a few years. Most of the time I have a Garmin Fenix 5X on, but the Courg is my casual dress watch and have taken it diving to 100+ ft. It is a beautiful tool type simple WWII military styled watch.I do like the looks of those. And the NH35A has the same attributes I like in the other seiko movements. If I'm not mistaken it's actually the same movement as the 4R35 and manufactured by seiko, but branded for use by other builders.

Be Courageous And Strong.
Joshua 1 vs 7

CaptShack
12-16-2018, 12:36 PM
It does have a sapphire crystal and can be manually wound. It has all the qualities I was looking for in an automatic watch at a great price. It was a kick starter watch and the guy really put in the effort to put out a quality product at an affordable price. The straps have nice touched like titanium hardware.56960

EDELWEISS
12-17-2018, 06:54 AM
How many guys still wear a manual (wind up) watch on a regular basis? Ill admit to falling into the automatic (self winding) club when I bought my Seiko diver then Rolex 30+ years ago. When my Rolex goes back for factory service, I tend to opt for my Marathon GSAR but that's a battery watch so the battery gets changed before the Rolex gets shipped.

On rare occasions, I carry a pocket watch. All but one of my pocket watches are manual, one is a key wind. I got started with pocket watches for a couple reasons. First I had a buddy/mentor that always carried a pocket watch, even when he was a cop. Second for nostalgic reasons. Then when I found one in a antique shop that was engraved with Sic Semper Tyrannis. Now I search for pocket watches with cool engravings.

Swab
12-27-2018, 01:50 PM
Hamilton Automatic. Old company, new owners, Swiss. All auto winds are manual wind. The mainspring has a bridle instead of being attached to a fixed point so it can't be over wound. Good quality for under $500.

emtdaddy1980
12-28-2018, 10:05 AM
Hamilton Automatic. Old company, new owners, Swiss. All auto winds are manual wind. The mainspring has a bridle instead of being attached to a fixed point so it can't be over wound. Good quality for under $500.I like the looks of the Hamilton field watches, but I want a minimum water resistance of 200m/20atm

Be Courageous And Strong.
Joshua 1 vs 7

scottscarparts2u
12-30-2018, 08:11 AM
Great watch info!


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emtdaddy1980
03-09-2019, 11:37 AM
I ended up going with a Redux and Co. COURG type A.... based on the recommendation of another tribe member (CaptShack) on this thread. The pictures do not really do it justice. Great looking watch that feels comfortable on the wrist and has features way above it's price point . Customer service was excellent and included a hand written note thanking me for my purchase. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190309/190106eec9e0d50b65f754ee7079f13c.jpg

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John_Frederick
03-09-2019, 11:44 AM
Great looking watch... Easy to read and should wear well.

IANative
03-09-2019, 01:21 PM
I recently picked up one of the new Seiko 5 autos to replace my old Orange Monster. Iíve worn it every day for about a month now, and itís yet to lose/gain a minute. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190309/177992158ef8c723dbe99a09de95aaca.jpg

CaptShack
03-09-2019, 10:40 PM
EMTDaddy1980,

Sweet watch and I am glad I could help you out. Your Courg has the same face mine does and in per looks fantastic. I do enjoy mine and I am sure you will enjoy yours for years to come. It is a handsome tool watch that can take what life has to dish out. The customer service is great and the guy that runs the company is very involved with the project still. Well Done!

Francisp
03-10-2019, 11:11 AM
I wear thr Seio SNDp27A1 I believe on the range. A friend who was a hawker hunter pilot in the Rhodesian Air Force turned me on to it. Its the evolution of the RAF Seiko. https://m.discountshop.com/Seiko-Chronograph-SNDA27P1?gclid=CjwKCAiAiJPkBRAuEiwAEDXZZRYoHdsYABU kGroqkPYqNrvZEhnwv-W9naeJY6_bJmRSjUGnc3nN_hoClW8QAvD_BwE

Nadster
04-07-2019, 10:55 AM
You guys are babes in the woods when it comes to watches. The majority of the watches suggested on this thread are "shitters" in the industry. The equivalent to "Zimmerman specials" and cheap nylon holsters. Unfortunately, you are going to have to increase the price by a factor of ten to get into a quality watch that won't lose half its value the moment you purchase it, and not worth the repair value. If you like them, nothing wrong with that. But they are crap. Save up and buy a pre-owned Rolex or Grand Seiko. You can get into some models for 3-4K. Just about any Rolex will keep its value over time and several current models are worth twice MSRP. Servicing for Rolex is now at 10 years only if needed. Grand Seiko is never. Keep the "shitters" for mowing the lawn and shopping at Walmart.

Jon Payne
04-07-2019, 11:52 AM
Great first post![emoji15] Many of us here own Rolex, Omega, Ball, Hamilton, Tissot, Tag Heuer, and the like. Why don't you introduce yourself in New Member Questions and tell us how you found WT?
You guys are babes in the woods when it comes to watches. The majority of the watches suggested on this thread are "shitters" in the industry. The equivalent to "Zimmerman specials" and cheap nylon holsters. Unfortunately, you are going to have to increase the price by a factor of ten to get into a quality watch that won't lose half its value the moment you purchase it, and not worth the repair value. If you like them, nothing wrong with that. But they are crap. Save up and buy a pre-owned Rolex or Grand Seiko. You can get into some models for 3-4K. Just about any Rolex will keep its value over time and several current models are worth twice MSRP. Servicing for Rolex is now at 10 years only if needed. Grand Seiko is never. Keep the "shitters" for mowing the lawn and shopping at Walmart.

emtdaddy1980
04-07-2019, 04:46 PM
You guys are babes in the woods when it comes to watches. The majority of the watches suggested on this thread are "shitters" in the industry. The equivalent to "Zimmerman specials" and cheap nylon holsters. Unfortunately, you are going to have to increase the price by a factor of ten to get into a quality watch that won't lose half its value the moment you purchase it, and not worth the repair value. If you like them, nothing wrong with that. But they are crap. Save up and buy a pre-owned Rolex or Grand Seiko. You can get into some models for 3-4K. Just about any Rolex will keep its value over time and several current models are worth twice MSRP. Servicing for Rolex is now at 10 years only if needed. Grand Seiko is never. Keep the "shitters" for mowing the lawn and shopping at Walmart.Guess it depends on where the priorities lay. I wanted something of higher quality that I could wear working on an ambulance every day. To me wearing a Rolex or Tag on an ambulance shift would be like taking a Porsche Cayenne down a Jeep trail.... yeah it's 4wD..... but why would you. I'm not a watch collector, I'm a blue collar guy who wanted a Nice(er) watch that I can be comfortable wearing on a daily basis. I would liken it to the $500 Glock that you carry day to day instead of the showpiece Les Bauer 1911 that you take out of the safe and fondle at the range every couple months. To each their own.

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CaptShack
04-07-2019, 10:59 PM
I am with emtdaddy1980, it all depends on your priorities. I have "shitter" watches and it does not bother me in the least. My priorities lie elsewhere and my my crap watches work just fine for me. I do not invest in watches, I enjoy the stock market. My firearm collection is pretty extensive, including some very sweet SI models and I do enjoy attending training classes, especially with SI.

EDELWEISS
04-08-2019, 05:35 AM
Guys GOOD watches are GOOD watches, they aren't for everyone, nor should they be. If its a decision about whether you can feed your family or buy a new car to replace your hunker VS buying a $$$ watch, then its silly to even think of a watch like that. Heck if its a question of a Rolex or a RMRd Glock, then theres no question. OTOH Ive worn a Rolex or similar everyday since 1990, as a soldier, a cop, a paramedic, etc. Yep once I knocked the bezel off my GMT Master on the door frame, when I banged it while taking out the trash. A couple times, while in a fight, I popped the band (not broken) it just opened it to the extended position.

Watches are something I like. Theres a Wilson 1911 on my list, not because they are "that" great but because I want one.... So I seem to acquire nice watches because I want them. My collection has run from Omega (original Moon watch) Speedmaster, my daily wear is the Rolex I bought in 1990, and a few old 19th century pocket watches; plus a slew of others like Seikos, Hamiltons, and Marathon. Guys who are afraid to wear their (too nice to wear) watches because they don't want to ruin them are like guys who don't want to have sex with their girlfriends because they want to keep them nice for the next guy??? IDK:tongue: (joking)

emtdaddy1980
04-08-2019, 06:39 AM
Guys GOOD watches are GOOD watches, they aren't for everyone, nor should they be. If its a decision about whether you can feed your family or buy a new car to replace your hunker VS buying a $$$ watch, then its silly to even think of a watch like that. Heck if its a question of a Rolex or a RMRd Glock, then theres no question. OTOH Ive worn a Rolex or similar everyday since 1990, as a soldier, a cop, a paramedic, etc. Yep once I knocked the bezel off my GMT Master on the door frame, when I banged it while taking out the trash. A couple times, while in a fight, I popped the band (not broken) it just opened it to the extended position.

Watches are something I like. Theres a Wilson 1911 on my list, not because they are "that" great but because I want one.... So I seem to acquire nice watches because I want them. My collection has run from Omega (original Moon watch) Speedmaster, my daily wear is the Rolex I bought in 1990, and a few old 19th century pocket watches; plus a slew of others like Seikos, Hamiltons, and Marathon. Guys who are afraid to wear their (too nice to wear) watches because they don't want to ruin them are like guys who don't want to have sex with their girlfriends because they want to keep them nice for the next guy??? IDK:tongue: (joking)My point was that someone who only wears Rolexes insisting that a $500 watch is "shit" is a lot like someone with the $4,000 custom 1911 saying the same thing about a Glock. I did 6 months worth of research and chose this watch specifically for durability... thus the titanium body and thick saphire crystal, and the movement that's easy to service or replace if necessary. Is the Rolex more accurate down to the millisecond...dunno...maybe...would I be able to replace the Rolex if the band popped during a fight and it disappeared..... no...so it would be foolish for me to wear one to work everyday. I like watches too...but to me it's a tool, not an investment.

There are men who like tool watches....and there are tools who like men's watches... :-) kidding.

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Jon Payne
04-08-2019, 07:52 AM
Nadsterís comment was bullshit and an uniformed opinion. If you appreciate time pieces thereís nothing wrong with wanting a quality tool watch at a decent price point.

Iíve owned Rolex and Omega. Bought my XO a nice Datejust; much nicer than the one I wore. She wears it everyday. I sold my Datejust because Iím in the market for a GMT II ďBatmanĒ. I bought my Omega SMP 300m after I sold out my first SI class.

I wear it proudly everywhere. Truth be known, my Omega is more accurate than any other mechanical watch Iíve ever seen.

Rolex is a marketing genius and are the best known luxury time pieces , but they are far from the highest quality or most expensive.

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scottscarparts2u
04-08-2019, 08:07 AM
Citizen echo drives are fantastic pieces for the money
Iím also a big fan of Hamilton.



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Nadster
04-08-2019, 11:26 AM
Nadster’s comment was bullshit and an uniformed opinion. If you appreciate time pieces there’s nothing wrong with wanting a quality tool watch at a decent price point.

I’ve owned Rolex and Omega. Bought my XO a nice Datejust; much nicer than the one I wore. She wears it everyday. I sold my Datejust because I’m in the market for a GMT II “Batman”. I bought my Omega SMP 300m after I sold out my first SI class.

I wear it proudly everywhere. Truth be known, my Omega is more accurate than any other mechanical watch I’ve ever seen.

Rolex is a marketing genius and are the best known luxury time pieces , but they are far from the highest quality or most expensive.

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I respectfully disagree, Jon. My opinion was an informed one. Do some research on what I discussed.

You can always put a Nato strap on a Rolex or any other watch if you are worried about the bracelet. Rolex are still tool watches and certified chronographs. They are not investments, but off the book assets. Something you can pass down to your children. Omega makes great watches. Curious as to what Omega watch you are referring to that has the accuracy. Is it a quartz watch? Hoping you good luck on finding a "Batman" at retail unless you have a great relationship with an AD. I need to add a GMT function watch myself. Otherwise, the grey market is your only option and much higher than MSRP. Nothing wrong with grey market. Most are reputable dealers with warranties and on staff watchmakers selling pristine pre-owned watches with original boxes and papers for many brands at substantial savings for just about anything except stainless steel Rolex professional models which are insanely hot right now.

Yes, Rolex is a mass produced watch which takes about a year to make one and they sell over a million of them a year. You can find more accurate and better engineered mechanical watches out there, but everyone has heard of a Rolex and if the situation arises in the middle of some shithole country you can trade or sell it for a plane ticket home.

Nothing wrong with $500 or less watches as long as you like them. However, they are essentially a throw away watch with no resale value. I'm 62 years old and have owned several throughout the years. I saved for years to own the watches I now have and learned a lot in in process. Which is why I appreciate the comments and quality of threads on the Warrior Talk forum. I learn from people who I consider the experts. I'm a former gun gamer of IPSC, multi gun, etc. where to compete at the state and national levels you need quality equipment and lots of it. Thanks for the invite, but I don't have much to contribute to this particular forum so it's back to lurk mode.

Greg Nichols
04-08-2019, 12:56 PM
A Rolex is jewelry not a time piece. There is a vast difference between a watch and a time piece.

Mike OTDP
04-08-2019, 01:10 PM
Rolex is a marketing genius and are the best known luxury time pieces , but they are far from the highest quality or most expensive.



Yup. Rolex makes a good watch, but their big strength is marketing. Breitling has moved to that as well - though their Navitimer is still the classic aviator's watch. High-end watches are rather like high-end custom 1911 smiths...the fun is finding the not-quite-famous but outstanding quality item.

Nadster
04-08-2019, 03:53 PM
Yup. Rolex makes a good watch, but their big strength is marketing. Breitling has moved to that as well - though their Navitimer is still the classic aviator's watch. High-end watches are rather like high-end custom 1911 smiths...the fun is finding the not-quite-famous but outstanding quality item.

Agreed. You guys are alpha males. You shouldn't be wearing a $300 Soy Boy homage to a professional dive or aviator watch.

Mike OTDP
04-08-2019, 04:02 PM
Agreed. You guys are alpha males. You shouldn't be wearing a $300 Soy Boy homage to a professional dive or aviator watch.
On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with a hard-use "beater" watch, especially for dirty work. Casio G-Shocks are popular among pilots just because they can take a beating. I wear a good instrument watch because I like them. That, and it occasionally comes in useful to have a stopwatch on you.

FWIW, my watches are an IWC Fliegerchronograph, and a Bremont ALT-1Z. The latter with unit markings.

Jon Payne
04-08-2019, 04:31 PM
Agreed. You guys are alpha males. You shouldn't be wearing a $300 Soy Boy homage to a professional dive or aviator watch.

My Omega is a SMP 300m (2220 Automatic) "Red Bond" with the 1120 movement/co-axial escapement. It's of course, a certified chronometer.
For those interested https://gearwecrave.com/thegear/2017/3/24/a-closer-look-at-the-omega-seamaster-300m

Greg Nichols
04-08-2019, 04:40 PM
On the other hand, I don't see anything wrong with a hard-use "beater" watch, especially for dirty work. Casio G-Shocks are popular among pilots just because they can take a beating. I wear a good instrument watch because I like them. That, and it occasionally comes in useful to have a stopwatch on you.

FWIW, my watches are an IWC Fliegerchronograph, and a Bremont ALT-1Z. The latter with unit markings.

My go to field watch is a Casio Pathfinder. It has many different functions that benefit the outdoorsman/shooter

emtdaddy1980
04-08-2019, 05:19 PM
I'm excusing myself from this thread. It's become as useful as the bullet golf games so loved by some, with no real bearing on my day to day.

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