Looking for a new friend

[EDELWEISS]

Its been almost a year since I lost my friend. Actually he had been my Mom's friend. She found him after my Dad passed and he stayed with her for over 10years, until she was taken by cancer. Initially he and I were just sorta house mates. He'd hang out in the same room when the TV was on and wander around in the yard, and bitch up a storm when anybody came to the door; but he wasn't exactly affectionate, at least not beyond an occasional tail wag when it was feeding time. Eventually he just got old and I think it was time when we went to the Doc and he didn't come home.

So now I'm moving and I'm feeling like I need a friend. I remember reading (well making up the story) from the "Carl" picture books to my kids (20 years ago) and thinking that I wanted a Rottweiler. I wanted a dog that looked like he would rip the face off of a stranger; but would play with the kids. I wanted the "don't come knocking if you don't know my Rottweiler's name", that Warren Zevon sang about in Rottweiler Blues (check out the lyrics).

I'm not totally fixated on a Rottie, equally high on my list is a German Sheppard. I'm think I'm willing to consider a Rescue dog; I'm just not clear on the pro's and con's OR what "standards" they have for the dog and me. The new house has a yard but its not fenced. Its not like Id just be letting the dog run outside on its own. I figure wed be taking walks to get to know the new AO, anyway.

Thoughts...

[barnetmill]

Its been almost a year since I lost my friend. Actually he had been my Mom's friend. She found him after my Dad passed and he stayed with her for over 10years, until she was taken by cancer. Initially he and I were just sorta house mates. He'd hang out in the same room when the TV was on and wander around in the yard, and bitch up a storm when anybody came to the door; but he wasn't exactly affectionate, at least not beyond an occasional tail wag when it was feeding time. Eventually he just got old and I think it was time when we went to the Doc and he didn't come home.

So now I'm moving and I'm feeling like I need a friend. I remember reading (well making up the story) from the "Carl" picture books to my kids (20 years ago) and thinking that I wanted a Rottweiler. I wanted a dog that looked like he would rip the face off of a stranger; but would play with the kids. I wanted the "don't come knocking if you don't know my Rottweiler's name", that Warren Zevon sang about in Rottweiler Blues (check out the lyrics).

I'm not totally fixated on a Rottie, equally high on my list is a German Sheppard. I'm think I'm willing to consider a Rescue dog; I'm just not clear on the pro's and con's OR what "standards" they have for the dog and me. The new house has a yard but its not fenced. Its not like Id just be letting the dog run outside on its own. I figure wed be taking walks to get to know the new AO, anyway.

Thoughts...
Be very careful on rescue dogs. Some are real gems and others are not. A dog if healthy will be around you and your family for years. Get one that you will give you pride, service, companionship, and joy rather then a head ache. Decide carefully on what want and be patient in seeking it out

[bigdogmom]

I would recommend looking at a breed specific rescue. The majority of them keep the dogs in foster care for several weeks prior to adopting them out to see how they deal with day to day activities. This gives you a much higher chance of success with a rescue.

We are on rescue dog number five from a breed specific rescue (Mastiff's). We are also an approved foster for this group. We have had difficult and easy dogs, and when they weigh 120+ pounds, you have to be on top of thier training and discipline. Our Bella was the most difficult by far, but she was also my great protector. If you were in her "circle" she would protect you. Not in her circle? Watch out.

These are our current two. Elroy (left) and Rogue (right). Elroy has been here since November and Rogue, almost three years. Rogue was a foster failure https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180513/915d6d83b195816d9691748cf0137d6f.jpg

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[SheepDog68]

My favorite protective dog so far is a Fila Brasileiro which I had for 12 years! He actually made a great house dog since he could turn his switch off as well as instant even anticipated chance to turn his switch on! He tried to guard everything he could see, but learned the boundaries of our property and to only guard two spaces all the way around my truck.

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[EDELWEISS]

My thought is to crate train initially at least but only when I'm not home and when we cant be together (grocery shopping etc). Any time I'm home including while sleeping, I want the dog with me.

Thoughts on males VS females (pros/cons). Also I don't intend to breed, so spay/neuter?

[barnetmill]

My thought is to crate train initially at least but only when I'm not home and when we cant be together (grocery shopping etc). Any time I'm home including while sleeping, I want the dog with me.

Thoughts on males VS females (pros/cons). Also I don't intend to breed, so spay/neuter?
Male vs females. Depends on the breed. With white english farms dogs that I favor the males are better at protecting an estate in that they range further. The females hang out a little more about the house and some think are better at personal protection. The males for a breed are larger if that is important. No real reason to neuter a male IMO. The vets sometimes push it to make the dog less of some sort of behavior. If the females are intact you have to keep them isolated from males about twice a year for about a month each time if you do not want puppies. The vets are big into neutering, especially the females they claim for health purposes. I will likely do one more litter out of my intact female and then get her fixed.

[steve_k]

I would recommend looking at a breed specific rescue. The majority of them keep the dogs in foster care for several weeks prior to adopting them out to see how they deal with day to day activities. This gives you a much higher chance of success with a rescue.

We are on rescue dog number five from a breed specific rescue (Mastiff's). We are also an approved foster for this group. We have had difficult and easy dogs, and when they weigh 120+ pounds, you have to be on top of thier training and discipline. Our Bella was the most difficult by far, but she was also my great protector. If you were in her "circle" she would protect you. Not in her circle? Watch out.

These are our current two. Elroy (left) and Rogue (right). Elroy has been here since November and Rogue, almost three years. Rogue was a foster failure https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180513/915d6d83b195816d9691748cf0137d6f.jpg

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I like rescue dogs, but there is some risk. My family did several in my teens and early 20’s. Only one failure that turned out to be a biter. She went back after the 2nd attack on my dad. All the others were 10 to 17 year keepers.

BDM’s pups have all been great and are part of our extended family.

I was in Bella’s circle.

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[Steven Spaugh]

Got a Rotti, and a shotty. Neither one stops barking, until everyone is bitten. I wanted to put a sign out front. What ever the dog spits out, we shoot. I could not get that approved, by management. We stay armed while at home. If you get past Bubba, your troubles get worse.

[DutchV]

There's a Rottweiler rescue group near Richmond. My nephew got one from them that was an awesome dog. He was neglected, not abused, so nothing wrong with his temperament. The baby used him for a body pillow. The rescue people had foster families keep the dogs for a few weeks to make sure they were okay.

[Papa]

Steve, you old softie.

We've had two rescue dogs. One kinda rescued himself, and showed up outside the front gate a couple of Christmases ago, literally starving and fleabitten. Now he's 75-80 pounds and, not hindered by a brain, is driven by two things: affection and appetite.

[chad newton]

I have two, do you want one? I could even throw in a cat????

[Papa]

As far as Shepherds go, they are fine dogs: affectionate, highly intelligent, strong, fast, and very trainable but prone to allergies, shedding, and hip problems. Shepherds seem to suffer from separation anxiety more than most, and are exceptionally sensitive to their owner's emotions. And they are so effing loud when they get excited, whether it's because you're finally home or because the chase is about to begin, that I'm surprised every K9 officer isn't stone deaf.
All that said, I'll never be without one until they pat me in the face with a shovel.

[Bob F.]

FWIW: I'd love to have a White English, Barnettmill describes them as perfect, companions and guardians without being overly aggressive. I currently have 2 GSDs, one is AKC the other a rescue from a lady that couldn't handle him. Both are male and entirely different dogs. Ruger, the AKC, thinks he has to guard everything on this end of the county. The other I'm sure has a little something else in him, good dog, more laid back, but I think he'd take first bite on an intruder or threat.

Had a labradoodle, our Christian dog; he showed up at church on a cold, rainy November night, maybe 6-8 weeks old. First night home ate the leather cover off the family bible! Wild child as a pup but became the most laid back dog I've ever known. Momma's boy, never aggressive but stayed between wife and any stranger! Only lasted 8 yrs, arthritis.

Best was a lab/GSD cross female. Once she matured and settled down very good, smart and protective. Lived to be 15.

I think mixes tend to have fewer health problems. Current GSD is smart!

I've read that dogs stay healthier if not neutered until at least a year, preferably 18 months.

Both dogs hate thunder storms.

[Ragsbo]

I don't know about elsewhere but around here I would be very hesitant to go rescue dog. We have one for years but lately they have gotten stupid. Want 300 or so to "adopt", you must spade or neuter, you must keep the dog inside, they can inspect anytime they want and if it does not meet their "standards" they can reclaim the dog no recourse or refund. They basically make all the calls and you dance their tune or else. Don't get me wrong, I am against abuse too but this is beyond ridiculous.

We had a Rotti and are talking about another. Good dogs after they get about 2 years old= can be very hard headed and takes a lot of patience and strict training to get there. We have had Dobermans too. In fact my youngest daughter would ride one like a horse. She would fall off, he would lay down so she could get back on.

[callmebubba]

I don't know about elsewhere but around here I would be very hesitant to go rescue dog. We have one for years but lately they have gotten stupid. Want 300 or so to "adopt", you must spade or neuter, you must keep the dog inside, they can inspect anytime they want and if it does not meet their "standards" they can reclaim the dog no recourse or refund. They basically make all the calls and you dance their tune or else. Don't get me wrong, I am against abuse too but this is beyond ridiculous.

We had a Rotti and are talking about another. Good dogs after they get about 2 years old= can be very hard headed and takes a lot of patience and strict training to get there. We have had Dobermans too. In fact my youngest daughter would ride one like a horse. She would fall off, he would lay down so she could get back on.
I ended up not getting a dog a couple years back because I told the rescue I wouldn’t sign agreeing to future visits. You met me, you saw my yard, saw my dogs; if you want my money then give me the dog and this is our last contact.

[barnetmill]

On the rescue thing I can see the visits if they are low keyed. I think most of us here have some idea of the sort of trash that is out there. $300 if it is a well selected dog is a bargain; if not then any amount is too much. I think I would specify to them that my ownership of guns or political affiliation is not grounds to seize the dog. I also expect the dog to defend against all intruders and not the family or guests.

I met one lady that did rescues and I think she was alright. Her own personal dog was a smart plott hound that the neighbor borrowed to herd and drive his cattle. It was allowed to climb a ladder to where the chickens roosted to eat just the one egg a day that he was allowed.

[barnetmill]

I know some people want a specific breed and understand that. A good dog regardless of the breed is a treasure. Such dogs are rare. IMO it is more the breeder than the breed that is important, but even under the best circumstances such dogs are not common. I chose the best breed I could find for my purposes and my dogs are good, but the legend dogs that people speak about they are not.

I just yelled at the smartest of my three. The yearling pup was outside with his mother and his very smart half sister when I was not looking went over to his open cage and ate all of large puppy breed dog food that she prefers. When I yelled at her, she retreated back to her assigned corner in the house, but would certainly repeat the act if given another chance lol. She is an ok dog, but not a legend type for sure.

[EDELWEISS]

OK I know this sounds "breed" specific, and it is to a certain point, just like I think blonds are hot; it doesn't mean that I want Amy Schumer OR if a good looking Redhead stopped by for a visit that Id complain if she was driving a Kia...

Im definitely NOT looking for a show dog, and I'm probably not opposed to a breeding Oooops (probably). Yes its about the two of us getting along.....and I do NOT want an attack dog, just one that LOOKS like he wants your pound of flesh (at least until you scratch him).

One of my concerns about Rescues is the RESCUERS.

[barnetmill]

Show dogs. Buying dogs on the basis of dog show looks is often not a good idea.
My group actually forbids showing their dogs. They think dog shows destroy breeds with the example of the English bulldog below being a prime example. The dog should be judged on how it does it job of being a dog.

The ancestors of the dog below looked more pits for this sad example Victorian dog show breeding. Still some of them are good dogs relative to doing their job, but still very unhealthy, weak jaws, poor wind, no heat tolerance, skin diseases and short life expectancy. The rear end of German Shepherd dogs is another stupidity of the dog show breeders.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/CH_Buck_and_Sons_Evita_Peron.jpg

[SheepDog68]

Shows have ruined many good breeds!

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[Ulf]

We've been extremely lucky with our three rescues - two from a reputable local org and one self-rescue. Small, medium and large Pitbulls.

They're VERY inteligent, loyal, loving and if needs be, ferocious!

They all know their "Jobs" - applied equally and in ascending level of importance:

1. Protect each other.
2. Protect the house.
3. Protect "The Momma" and "The Boys".
4. Go get "Daddy".

Anyone who comes to the door is announced with barks and growls. Once they pass the threshold with a member of the family, they are inspected, our reactions are gauged and then the guest(s) are accosted for petting and kisses.

Should anyone be foolish enough to break in, they'd have to make it past 250 pounds of angry teeth and muscle before they got to us!

[Greg Nichols]

I like Neos, I've had 2 Neapolitan Mastiffs and love them. 1 owner dogs, super smart, don't bark often, and are great guard dogs.

https://www.all-about-mastiff-dog-breed.com/images/large/mastiff-neapolitan-dog-harness-neapolitan_LRG.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwje56K1yIXbAhUXwWMKHeCUDncQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.all-about-mastiff-dog-breed.com%2Fneapolitan-mastiff-c-21%2Fneapolitan-mastiff-leather-harness-studded-p-163.html&psig=AOvVaw25WGFT3E5mpaug77yrsppy&ust=1526399680793505)

[bigdogmom]

I like Neos, I've had 2 Neapolitan Mastiffs and love them. 1 owner dogs, super smart, don't bark often, and are great guard dogs.

https://www.all-about-mastiff-dog-breed.com/images/large/mastiff-neapolitan-dog-harness-neapolitan_LRG.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwje56K1yIXbAhUXwWMKHeCUDncQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.all-about-mastiff-dog-breed.com%2Fneapolitan-mastiff-c-21%2Fneapolitan-mastiff-leather-harness-studded-p-163.html&psig=AOvVaw25WGFT3E5mpaug77yrsppy&ust=1526399680793505)My first two giants were Neo's. Amazing dogs. We switched to English when we started rescuing because at that time there wasn't a Neo rescue close. Neo's still hold a special place in my heart.

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[barnetmill]

A good breed to look for if you want a good house dog that will protect the house and love those that are in it are leavitt bulldogs and its derivatives the Olde English Bulldogge. It is the english bulldog crossed with healthier breeds to get a heavy dog that is not too huge. One of my colleges has one that is 15 yrs and he has finally gotten a pup to take its place eventually. They are healthy and the temperament is suitable for a household. Below is a film that discusses the leavitt version of it. The historical account is fiction in that they have recreated the original bull baiting dog used in england for bullbaiting. But, they have created a good dog for a person wanting a bulldog around the home and yard.

Not what I would want since want I dogs that are proven to be able to kill when needed; it is a breed for someone like edelweiss to consider.

The Leavitt bulldog was created in 2005 with only breeds that have old English bulldog in their background. According to David Leavitt, a line breeding scheme developed at the Ohio State University was used in the breed's development. The founding stock of the Olde English Bulldogge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olde_English_Bulldogge) in 1971 purportedly consisted of 1/2 English Bulldog, 1/6 American Bulldog, 1/6 American Pit Bull Terrier and 1/6 Bullmastiff.[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leavitt_Bulldog#cite_note-7)
Characteristics

The Leavitt Bulldog has a very stable, friendly and loving temperament, which makes them suitable as family companions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companion_dog), and some have qualified as therapy dogs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapy_dog). They are easy to train and they are useful for various sports. This breed is extremely strong, which means that socialization and obedience training are important. Their disposition should be confident, courageous and alert without being overly protective. They enjoy not just physical games, but also activities that require intellect, such as tracking (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracking_(dog)).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahbhmlOWg98

[Vlad the Impaler]

I'd be careful with a rescue unless it has been fostered and checked out. Check with your insurance company because many have breed restrictions. If you want a big guard dog, a Presa Canario is a fur covered alligator but almost impossible to insure. They eat pit bulls for breakfast.

[Vlad the Impaler]

I agree with you on the Germans. My sister and brother in law (who does dog training and behavior modification) have a German that washed out of police dog training because she was too lazy. She is a terrific dog but god help you if you tried to break in or do anything to my nephew. That dog would rip you to shreds.

[Bob F.]

GSD's are "herding dogs" and can be hysterical when there are little ones around for them to watch over (and round up). Most dogs are amazing around kids.

[barnetmill]

GSD's are "herding dogs" and can be hysterical when there are little ones around for them to watch over (and round up). Most dogs are amazing around kids.
I would expect the herding behavior to be more developed in the white strain. The original GSD were livestock protection dogs in the mountains and some where white. I have seen claims that genetically they are close to mastiffs. There are people that swear by the white GSD as being superior. The modern dog show mentality apparently discriminates against the white GSD. Some GSD are stock killers due to the change in breeding relative to behavior.

[Mike Heckathorn]

ShopMonkey’s GSD is dumber than square baseballs...


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[DogDoc]

I deal with dogs all day every day. You couldn't pay me enough to take a german shepherd. Most of them are neurotic and they all shed like crazy. They age poorly and have a lot of health issues. I look at a GSD as a 75 pound neurotic chihuahua. Occasionally you see a good one and they really are amazing (saw one today) but they're rare and still shed like it's a part-time job.

I do like rotties. If well socialized and well trained they can be terrific dogs. Give him a backpack and make him carry stuff. They love having a job.

On the Fila mastiffs...I think they could be wonderful pets if they went to the taxidermist first. Otherwise, no thanks. They are hyper aggressive and dangerous. The only dog in 30 years I ever recommended euthanizing for aggression at 8 weeks of age was a Fila. They eventually had to put him down when he tried to kill the neighbor lady for walking past the house on the sidewalk. They breed them to be that way...stupid.

The other mastiffs are great dogs if you want something that big...and have a lot of paper towels for the drool. :0)

[Papa]

Occasionally you see a good one and they really are amazing (saw one today) but they're rare and still shed like it's a part-time job.

I do like rotties. If well socialized and well trained they can be terrific dogs. Give him a backpack and make him carry stuff. They love having a job.



Mine is, of course, perfect. Except for the shedding thing. 'Course every dog I've owned shed like crazy.

Fully agree on rotties. Never met one I didn't like.

[emtdaddy1980]

I'm only a month into ownership but so far I'm impressed with the Pyrenees. When I met the parents they dutifully alerted the owner (SIL) To our presence and kept the goat herd shielded from us, but then were calm and friendly once we were properly introduced. Our almost 13 week old female laid there calmly last night when my 1 yr old daughter tottled up and took the bone out of her mouth, but will already bark and stand like a barrier when someone comes to the door. It only took me one day to teach basic commands (sit,stay,lay down, give, leave it) and she seems very easy to train. From what I've been told shedding is about on par with a Golden Retriever so medium/heavy shedders, but consistent grooming should negate a lot of that.

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[Redbug]

I have had several breeds of dogs down past the years. But for me, German Shepherds are the dogs that shine. Get a male GSD. 55702

[doctom]

Take a look at the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog. Rotty's and Mastiff's descended from them. Originally used by the Romans as war dogs. Later domesticated by the Swiss. Mine can pull a cart loaded with 1800 pounds. Huge bark. Very intimidating, but great disposition. I will never be without one. No one would come near your house if you have one!







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[barnetmill]

Take a look at the Greater Swiss Mountain Dog. Rotty's and Mastiff's descended from them. Originally used by the Romans as war dogs. Later domesticated by the Swiss. Mine can pull a cart loaded with 1800 pounds. Huge bark. Very intimidating, but great disposition. I will never be without one. No one would come near your house if you have one!


I am sure you have a fine dog, but to say mastiffs descended from them is not true if you mean all mastiffs. Mastiffs date to much earlier times and my guess is the origins are much further to the east.
Below: Assyrian Mastiff Metropolitan museum of Art. I could not find a date for it.
Mastiffs were known in Persia, middle east and in classical greek cultures. Dog vendors (Breeders) like to invent histories and more often then not they are false. Maybe? some mastiffs in europe were descended from the Swiss Mountain dog, but all?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/cd/66/83cd665319f161f5d328439a23909bc1.jpg

[doctom]

good points

[Chainsaw76]

Black Mouth Curs for me. Think "Ole Yeller" for disposition. They come in colors cream, fawn, to brindle. Some breeders kill the brindles, but ours comes from Tiger Joe and has been a very good dog. Very intelligent with lotsa personality, and is always talking to you. Friendly with visitors once introduced, but don't F with them. Can't spank kids or women when they are around, as they don't tolerate that.

Bred for hunting/herding. Big ones like mine are for bears and boars. They have combat power when needed, but have a friendly temperament. Can't say enough good about them.

jim

[Gunstore Commando]

We had a rescue shepherd. It had been abused and was emotionally damaged. Not aggressive but unusually fearful of nearly anything.

She was always good with family and other kids. As the years went by she came out of her shell. She lived a long time for a shepherd dog and ended up having a pretty good life.

I am not set up to own any kind of dog right now but we've been training a little bit with K9 SAR and I have to admit I am bitterly envious of their dogs.

If you're looking for a working dog I wouldn't go with a rescue dog but if you're just looking for a pet...

[barnetmill]

We had a rescue shepherd. It had been abused and was emotionally damaged. Not aggressive but unusually fearful of nearly anything.

She was always good with family and other kids. As the years went by she came out of her shell. She lived a long time for a shepherd dog and ended up having a pretty good life.

I am not set up to own any kind of dog right now but we've been training a little bit with K9 SAR and I have to admit I am bitterly envious of their dogs.

If you're looking for a working dog I wouldn't go with a rescue dog but if you're just looking for a pet...

Some of the dogs used for K9 are extremely expensive and are genetically very good dogs. In other words the products of very selective breeding. Way above the average shelter dog and most other dogs for sure. For a family I would still prefer a Great Pyrenees myself since they are bred specifically to be gentle with family and to be highly protective.

[Jon Payne]

Black Mouth Curs for me. Think "Ole Yeller" for disposition. They come in colors cream, fawn, to brindle. Some breeders kill the brindles, but ours comes from Tiger Joe and has been a very good dog. Very intelligent with lotsa personality, and is always talking to you. Friendly with visitors once introduced, but don't F with them. Can't spank kids or women when they are around, as they don't tolerate that.

Bred for hunting/herding. Big ones like mine are for bears and boars. They have combat power when needed, but have a friendly temperament. Can't say enough good about them.

jim

Great breed you have there, but Ole Yeller was a Texas Blue Lacy Game Dog. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180610/3116f6f30565534501a55695e7211fb6.jpg


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[Gunstore Commando]

Some of the dogs used for K9 are extremely expensive and are genetically very good dogs. In other words the products of very selective breeding. Way above the average shelter dog and most other dogs for sure. For a family I would still prefer a Great Pyrenees myself since they are bred specifically to be gentle with family and to be highly protective.

Roger that. Most of the ones we've been working with are high drive dogs for sure. And purebreds, mostly either GSD or Goldens. But there are a couple of outright mutts training with that team. The mutts haven't made the grade yet, we'll see.

Roger on the Great Pyrenees, too. Never had one myself but my brother has had two so far and really loved them. Come to think of it, at least one of his was a rescue.

[barnetmill]

Great breed you have there, but Ole Yeller was a Texas Blue Lacy Game Dog. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180610/3116f6f30565534501a55695e7211fb6.jpg


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I believe the dog in the book was a Lacy, but the dog in the Disney movie was not.
Usually the Lacy is not such a big dog, but I guess there could be some larger ones about.

Weight (https://www.google.com/search?q=blue+lacy+weight&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOPgE-LUz9U3SEnLKazSUs5OttJPSixO1S9ILUkqSk1NKdZPyU-PBzOtylMz0zNKAEyoXekyAAAA&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjm9M7h4cvbAhUHVK0KHUJWC-QQ6BMIhAIoADAe): Male: 35–50 lbs (16–23 kg), Female: 30–45 lbs

Old Yeller movie dog breed

Spike was a lop-eared yellow Mastador (Mastiff/Labrador Retriever mix) and a dog actor best known for his performance as Old Yeller in the 1957 Disney film of the same name co-starring Tommy Kirk, Dorothy McGuire, Fess Parker, and Kevin Corcoran.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Brian_Keith_The_Westerner_1960.JPG/220px-Brian_Keith_The_Westerner_1960.JPG






Spike with Brian Keith (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Keith)


Species (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Species)
Canis lupus familiaris (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog)


Breed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed)
Mastador
(Labrador Retriever (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labrador_Retriever)/Mastiff (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Mastiff))


Sex
Male


Nation from
United States (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)


Occupation
Dog actor


Notable role
King in The She Creature (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_She_Creature)
Old Yeller in Old Yeller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Yeller_(film))
Patrasche in A Dog of Flanders (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Dog_of_Flanders_(1960_film))
Pete in The Silent Call (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Silent_Call)


Owner
Frank Weatherwax (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Weatherwax)

[Bob F.]

Nicely done, barnetmill. Should end the speculation.

[Jon Payne]

I believe the dog in the book was a Lacy, but the dog in the Disney movie was not.
Usually the Lacy is not such a big dog, but I guess there could be some larger ones about.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5b/Brian_Keith_The_Westerner_1960.JPG/220px-Brian_Keith_The_Westerner_1960.JPG

You’re correct of course. I was referring to the book.


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