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Gabriel Suarez
01-05-2018, 02:07 PM
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Jon Payne
01-05-2018, 02:11 PM
Very nice! I prefer the 12GA, but there are people who can handle the 20 better. I remember another company advertising a compact .410 for ladies and home defense. This Suarez International Tomahawk make a million times more sense.

Gabriel Suarez
01-05-2018, 02:15 PM
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chad newton
01-05-2018, 03:43 PM
How many rounds will it hold?

fish78
01-05-2018, 03:56 PM
I am figuring with #3 or #4 Buckshot this is perfect for bedroom.

H60DoorGunner
01-05-2018, 04:58 PM
I am figuring with #3 or #4 Buckshot this is perfect for bedroom.

The No. 2 is also very effective. I think from a 20 ga., it might be the best all-around buck load.

Texican_gal
01-05-2018, 05:52 PM
Well, pretty much, if you get the 12 gauge you will need the 20 also ... maybe in green! :beer:

BeardedPelican
01-05-2018, 06:22 PM
Tomahawk? I was hoping for a war club

Looks cool, already have on the "to-buy" list

Philip Asay
01-05-2018, 10:28 PM
Might be just right for my wife on those nights when I’m away and things go bump in the night!

zippy
01-06-2018, 03:21 AM
Lucy adapter ?

barnetmill
01-06-2018, 04:34 AM
fish78
I am figuring with #3 or #4 Buckshot this is perfect for bedroom.




The No. 2 is also very effective. I think from a 20 ga., it might be the best all-around buck load.
I was about ready to say there was no number 2 buckshot loading in 20 ga, but I looked it up and there is one. It appears to be a low velocity loading getting 1100 fps



https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/172/172224.jpg

H60DoorGunner
01-06-2018, 06:42 AM
...It appears to be a low velocity

Compared to what? 1100 fps is about what you get from a 20ga, give or take.

EDELWEISS
01-06-2018, 09:39 AM
Well I for one am reeeeely excited. Years ago, as in back in the last century, maybe the 70s; the original Ithaca Stakeout was offered in 12 and 20ga. I spoke at length to a factory rep about them, of course I wanted the 12ga; but he did his best to try to talk me into the 20ga. He pointed out how much better the 20ga handled. Now to be fair we, we were talking about AOWs with a conventional pistol grip, NOT the Birdshead grip on the model Gabe is putting together. The Ithaca rep pointed out how customers who insisted they wanted the 12ga, often said they did so because, they couldn't "choose" anything less than 12ga for macho reasons; but later that they wished they had bought the 20ga version.

Fast forward to today, we have the Suarez Stakeout, with its more forgiving BirdsHead grip and reduced recoil loads for 12ga. So recoil is less a factor; but we also have many more ammo options (for both shells). Does the 20ga replace the 12ga version on an equal footing--of course NOT, just like 223 does not completely replace 308; but it does fill many of the roles.

When I compare my 20ga and 12ga 870s (both in full size fighting trim), I see advantages to both guns. The 20ga is certainly more "lively" in my hands; but it lacks the full power of the 12ga. I choose the 20ga for "Green Zone" missions. I don't feel unarmed with it in HOT Zones; but its just not the same as a 12ga gun....

I'm very much looking forward to the Tomahawk, even though I have two 12ga Stakeouts.

Gabriel Suarez
01-06-2018, 10:36 AM
I'm very much looking forward to the Tomahawk, even though I have two 12ga Stakeouts.

That is nice to hear...but you do not have two Stakeouts. The Stakeout is a Suarez Designed Weapon and not something else. You may have cobbled up a cheaper copy or two in the garage that may look like a Stakeout, but I do not see you having bought even one from us. Maybe that will change with the advent of the Tomahawk.

Dorkface
01-06-2018, 12:44 PM
Out of curiosity is there much of a difference in weight between the 12 and 20 gauge versions?

Gabriel Suarez
01-06-2018, 12:58 PM
Not as much as you'd think. There is a little less steel. A little lighter but its not a big difference.

barnetmill
01-06-2018, 01:03 PM
Compared to what? 1100 fps is about what you get from a 20ga, give or take.

This one is 1200 fps, but overall they are loaded to only 1100 fps.
https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/175/175614.jpg

Papa
01-06-2018, 09:47 PM
The Stakeout is a Suarez Designed Weapon and not something else. You may have cobbled up a cheaper copy or two in the garage that may look like a Stakeout, but I do not see you having bought even one from us.

Yeah, me too. It's why I call mine "the bootleg," and why I'm rubbing nickels together so they'll multiply enough to legitimize the little bastard.

valian
01-07-2018, 12:01 PM
Rio makes a 9 pellet no. 1 buckshot rated at 1345 fps. Some are selling it as 00 but I understand it actually measures about no. 1


I was about ready to say there was no number 2 buckshot loading in 20 ga, but I looked it up and there is one. It appears to be a low velocity loading getting 1100 fp



https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/172/172224.jpg

barnetmill
01-07-2018, 04:11 PM
Rio makes a 9 pellet no. 1 buckshot rated at 1345 fps. Some are selling it as 00 but I understand it actually measures about no. 1
Foreign manufactures do not apparently use our system of measurements for buckshot. It is quite common for such overseas loading of buckshot to measure under size. True 00 buckshot will not stack in the 3x3x3 manner as it will in a 12 ga shell. It will not even do it in 2x2 in a 0.615 bore 20 ga gun without squeezing the shot size down a bit.

Ted Demosthenes
01-07-2018, 05:43 PM
Gabe,
You have an ETA on next shipment? How about a pre-buy option on the store?