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irishhunter
03-21-2017, 07:06 AM
https://usa.caagearup.com/caa-micro-roni

Anyone been able to use one of these for comparison to the Suarez PDW?


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Greg Nichols
03-21-2017, 07:56 AM
I believe that the consensus was that the extra bulk of these chassis systems don't bring anything to the table that the SI PDW doesn't other than the ability to mount different optics

Gabriel Suarez
03-21-2017, 08:03 AM
:facepalm::dunno::rolleyes1:

I think that really...people simply do not pay any attention to anything I write.

irishhunter
03-21-2017, 08:07 AM
In fact, I do, Gabe. As evidenced by the amount of money I send your business. However, I also listen to others, as well. :raised eyebrows:


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steve_k
03-21-2017, 08:35 AM
Some funny videos out there from suppliers of these. They look bulky.

coastalcop
03-21-2017, 08:47 AM
Any flex between grip and chassis induces malfunctions. Suarez PDW could break in half and Ive still got a useable weapon. Ive tried a couple of types, wasnt happy with either of them . Suarez PDW idea is the best ive looked at and tested so far.

Gabriel Suarez
03-21-2017, 08:55 AM
In fact, I do, Gabe. As evidenced by the amount of money I send your business. However, I also listen to others, as well. :raised eyebrows:


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Well...if you think anything from Command Arms is of any value, perhaps you have been listening to the wrong people.

Gabriel Suarez
03-21-2017, 09:03 AM
Here...so nobody has to spend time searching


https://youtu.be/cbXo540lIME

Brent Yamamoto
03-21-2017, 09:14 AM
A fast search pulled up this thread: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?131482-RONI-GLOCK-quot-BRACE-quot&highlight=wargoat

I know that WarGoat has done a bunch of work with several of these enclosure units and documented his experience. Bottom line though, I believe he arrived at the same conclusion...stick with the Glock PDW.

irishhunter
03-21-2017, 09:15 AM
Excellent feedback. Thank you.


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EDELWEISS
03-21-2017, 06:57 PM
I know that WarGoat has done a bunch of work with several of these enclosure units and documented his experience. Bottom line though, I believe he arrived at the same conclusion...stick with the Glock PDW.

As a matter of fact he had SBRd a Glock to use in many of the enclosure units and ultimately requested his Glock be removed from the NFA registry, because all the "stocks" failed the real world test

LawDog
03-21-2017, 07:04 PM
I spent twenty minutes or so doing dry work with a Roni, but didn't get to put any live rounds through it. The single advantage of the Roni over the Glock PDW is mounting optics. It's easier to mount an optic, and you can mount any optic you want. In every other area, the Glock PDW comes out ahead. It's lighter, more reliable, more compact, much easier to clear a malfunction, and doesn't need to be an NFA item.

Brent Yamamoto
03-21-2017, 07:36 PM
The allure of these Glock enclosure units is just lost on me. I don't understand adding size, weight and bulk to a Glock. Sure, you get other optic choices but...WHY? It's like bolting a bunch of shit to a Porsche to make it like a Corvette. If you want a Corvette, why not just buy a Corvette?

I love submachine guns. Uzi, MPX, MP5, P90, CX4, the Skorpion...all cool. But if I want something the size of a sub gun, I'll just get a sub gun. And hey, it will actually work.

The Glock PDW is a lot smaller than a sub gun, and it works. It's one of those rare things in the gun world that is win win win. Submachine gun performance in a miniature package for a reasonable price.

I've said it maybe 853 times now...if you have a full size Gen 3 frame you have no reason NOT to buy the PDW adapter and brace. It's only $100!

GemJedi
03-21-2017, 08:33 PM
They represent two manifestations of the solution to the same issue. One is engineered around the pistol, adding (bulk) on here and there to give the pistol the functionality of an arm braced pistol. The other is a simpler more elegant solution that works with the pistol instead of around it to get to the same arm braced pistol. If the PDW had not come along, then the Roni perhaps would be a solution. But the PDW did come along and ate its lunch. Creative destruction.

khadga
03-23-2017, 03:12 AM
They're perfectly reliable when the gun magazine writer tests them, but somehow everyone else shares WarGoat's experience of waaaay too many failures (including the newest micro RONI).

I already wasted time and money on one of these platforms (KPOS gen 2, 2nd gen just as big a POS as the 1st) and thankfully WarGoat's wisdom kept me from a second attempt.

These are are poor options in comparison to the Glock PDW or any quality smg/pcc.

Coolhand77
08-26-2017, 05:10 AM
I always looked at it as a "Less is more" situation. Less bulk, easier to carry and manuver because of less bulk and added weight. Same ammo capacity, but with less bulk and weight you can carry more ammo, or conceal better. Less added complexity, is more reliability. In the words of a famous fictional Scottish chief engineer "The more complicated you make the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain."
Heck, had a gen 1 KPOS [that I had modded the moment I got it for an arm brace to avoid the stupid NFA BS and legal fiction of "constructive intent"] and kept looking at "okay, how much material can I remove to lighten this beast and still keep functionality and reliability"...then sold it to a friend after I figured out the SI PDW concept pretty much did everything but fold where I wanted it to for concealment AND still worked with my OWB holsters.

FYI, they can't claim constructive intent if you chop off the stock hinge with an angle grinder [replaced it with a buffer tube adapter and ACE hinge]

Gabriel Suarez
08-26-2017, 07:12 AM
I am surprised this is even a discussion at this point. :confused:

MrJimBowie
08-26-2017, 08:05 AM
New to the boards, but not new to WT.

Recently picked up a PDW package and seriously folks, there's ZERO reason to even give a second look to these enclosures.
The G-PDW is so KISS. Why try to reinvent the wheel? If its not broke, don't fix it.

Coolhand77
08-26-2017, 10:00 AM
I am surprised this is even a discussion at this point. :confused:
Not everyone has been paying attention apparently.
Honestly, the only thing I even find attractive about the Roni's is the trigger guard cover...and I have been using a modified minimalist holster for that for years [the one I got from OST that came with a little black lanyard]
maybe if they offered that little flip up guard as part of a weapon light mount it would be worth while [no other housing, just a flashlight with a flip up trigger guard cover]

jlwilliams
08-26-2017, 12:13 PM
I played with one of the full sized ones when they came out and some of the other ones that the gun goes into. It's all been said before. Optics on the slide and a blade brace is the better, simple solution. The clam shell concept is a neat idea but I haven't yet handled one that was quite what I hoped they would be.

Sooner or later, a better solution will come up. We will all wonder why no one saw it sooner. The Roni is not the better mousetrap.

Gabriel Suarez
08-26-2017, 12:20 PM
FOR THOSE WHO CAME IN LATE -


https://youtu.be/cbXo540lIME


https://youtu.be/3zFSJ_QpNbY


https://youtu.be/Dalhw0akIrA


https://youtu.be/250QUf-C5FA

And since I am not here for the betterment of mankind...

https://suarezinternational.com/pdw-glock/

DutchV
08-26-2017, 08:44 PM
I find it vaguely amusing that Endo is on top of an excellent product, but they mostly push their morale patches in their marketing. They don't even acknowledge the concept of a non-SBR use for their adapter. Hopefully those blind squirrels won't wander around and go out of business.

Hasher
08-27-2017, 06:38 AM
I lost all interest at CAA.

Gabriel Suarez
08-27-2017, 09:03 AM
When your marketing line is - "The IDF uses it", it gets a roll of the yes and a flip of the page.

CAA = Cheap Antiquated Accessories

jmoore
08-27-2017, 09:03 AM
I think that really...people simply do not pay any attention to anything I write.

I feel for you, Gabe. I've been teaching for 40 years, so I know the feeling - and it's only getting worse.

geezer john

Gabriel Suarez
08-27-2017, 09:29 AM
One day we will simply stop...all of us with knowledge will quit and go live on that warm tropical island with the free drinks, the state of the art gym, and the nude beaches...and leave the masses to the gun jugglers on youtube.

Jon Payne
08-27-2017, 11:19 AM
One day we will simply stop...all of us with knowledge will quit and go live on that warm tropical island with the free drinks, the state of the art gym, and the nude beaches...and leave the masses to the gun jugglers on youtube.

The jugglers are reproducing at an alarming rate. It's like the dumbing down of America migrated to the gun community and in turn it's trying to seep into our tribe.


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endsoftheearth
12-05-2018, 05:51 AM
Any flex between grip and chassis induces malfunctions. Suarez PDW could break in half and Ive still got a useable weapon. Ive tried a couple of types, wasnt happy with either of them . Suarez PDW idea is the best ive looked at and tested so far.

er-Roni-ous?

Just what Coastal said, evidenced in spades in this video:
https://youtu.be/4-f7HEgkr6U