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Gabriel Suarez
12-11-2016, 03:40 PM
https://youtu.be/3zFSJ_QpNbY

RayMich
12-11-2016, 05:46 PM
Very nice setup.

Are you still able to co-witness and use your RDS and the iron sights with the SilencerCo can installed?

Please, tell us more about the SI safety, your rationale, etc.

Thanks.

gssc
12-11-2016, 07:41 PM
Intersting and I see the value proposition.

What is the reason behind the the thumb position when shooting? Is it to hold the safety off?

Gabriel Suarez
12-11-2016, 07:49 PM
Intersting and I see the value proposition.

What is the reason behind the the thumb position when shooting? Is it to hold the safety off?


No reason...just what the arm position ends up with. The body works as a unit...not as individual parts.

PastorM
12-12-2016, 09:51 AM
The only other "safety" mechanism that I can think of that would be significantly cheaper and certainly involve no gunsmithing on a Glock would be an NPE-type holster to just cover the trigger/trigger guard area.

The manual of arms for it would be a bit more kludgy than a thumb safety however ... ie, what do you do with the NPE while it's not in use? Is it attached to a lanyard? Would that cause it to be dislodged while moving with the PDW on the sling?

The thumb safety would be a much more elegant solution.

Gabriel Suarez
12-12-2016, 10:19 AM
Mine


The only other "safety" mechanism that I can think of that would be significantly cheaper and certainly involve no gunsmithing on a Glock would be an NPE-type holster to just cover the trigger/trigger guard area.

And what are you going to do? Have the significantly cheaper (and clumsier) NPE type holster dangling off the weapon swinging around like an elongated nutsack?

The manual of arms for it would be a bit more kludgy than a thumb safety however

Not...it would clumsy as hell and you wouldn't use it...and then you would have an AD when you tried to use the system like a PDW and not like a holstered pistol

... ie, what do you do with the NPE while it's not in use? Is it attached to a lanyard? Would that cause it to be dislodged while moving with the PDW on the sling?

The thumb safety would be a much more elegant solution.

Yup...that is the plan.

wil
12-12-2016, 12:00 PM
I can think of a whole lot of situations where that would take care of things. Not to mention as stated it makes your daily carry into something very close to 'one-size-fits-all'

Several questions:

1. that will work on the glock 19 also?

2. that suppressor, does it require a booster? I was trying to see if there was a booster on the end of the barrel but couldn't tell.

3. IF that setup also works for a 19, no booster is required on the 19 for a suppressor also?

4. The arch on the back of the grip, if that is removed or the grip is flattened such as on a std 1911 flat spring housing, that "brace" will not work as there's no lower attachment point?

Yondering
12-12-2016, 12:09 PM
Bold below


I can think of a whole lot of situations where that would take care of things. Not to mention as stated it makes your daily carry into something very close to 'one-size-fits-all'

Several questions:

1. that will work on the glock 19 also?
Yes, with minor modifications. Several of us are using these on Glock 19 pistols. You have to drill a new pin hole in the Endo; the G19 lanyard hole is higher than the G17 of course. Gen 4 pistols can be used as well with a little more modification to the Endo, I've posted pictures in several threads here.

2. that suppressor, does it require a booster? I was trying to see if there was a booster on the end of the barrel but couldn't tell.
Pretty much all semi-auto centerfire pistol suppressors, unless they weigh less than ~3 oz, require a booster to function a Glock and most other semi-auto pistols. (Beretta 92 pistols are an exception, sometimes.) Most pistol suppressors are sold with boosters.

3. IF that setup also works for a 19, no booster is required on the 19 for a suppressor also?

4. The arch on the back of the grip, if that is removed or the grip is flattened such as on a std 1911 flat spring housing, that "brace" will not work as there's no lower attachment point?
Correct, you need that space inside the backstrap to attach the Endo.

apamburn
12-12-2016, 12:15 PM
I can think of a whole lot of situations where that would take care of things. Not to mention as stated it makes your daily carry into something very close to 'one-size-fits-all'

Several questions:

1. that will work on the glock 19 also?

2. that suppressor, does it require a booster? I was trying to see if there was a booster on the end of the barrel but couldn't tell.

3. IF that setup also works for a 19, no booster is required on the 19 for a suppressor also?

4. The arch on the back of the grip, if that is removed or the grip is flattened such as on a std 1911 flat spring housing, that "brace" will not work as there's no lower attachment point?

There are a few other threads on the topic of the G19 and the brace. I think it even includes pics.

The Endo adapter does not fit the Glock 19 without alteration.

The nub that connects to the backstrap of the grip is too large and must be filed or sanded down to fit the Glock 19, then a new hole drilled a few eighths of an inch above the manufacturer's hole in the nub for the attachment pin.

It is not a hard task to do so long as you take it slowly and don't remove too much material.

bassbones
12-12-2016, 03:00 PM
The ENDO set up has quenched all desire to buy any 9mm carbine or AR style Glock mag build. It's stupid simple and works. I have 3 ENDO's now. One is cut for the G19 and has a folder on it and rides with me everywhere. The other 2 are fixed tubes set up for home use. I gave one to my son for his G17 and the other sits on my SI G34 next to the bed with a surefire on it.

DO IT!!!!!!

JB

wil
12-20-2016, 01:08 PM
Bold below
Thank you for the responses, I appreciate it.
I take it since a flat back-strap eliminates the ability to use one of these, the 80% frames can't be used with one of these also?
I looked at the pics carefully but there's no clear picture showing the mag well and/or if there is an opening there for the tab to fit into?
I like the shape of the grip on those 80 % frames, it looks very close to a 1911 grip with a flat -spring housing and if so would be ideal for myself.
I do not like the grip on a std glock 17, the curved back and the angle gives me a very poor grip otherwise I'd get a 17.
The 19 doesn't feel anywhere near the same yet it seems almost the same as the 17 so I have no good reason to argue why I prefer the feel of the grip on one over the other.
Perhaps it is simply using a 1911 and nothing else all these years has accustomed me to the grip on my 1911 and anything else feels unnatural.
If that 80 % frame does work with the PDW then I'd likely do that, I'd prefer to not start cutting or modifying if I can avoid it.
Something like this I'd prefer to have it as it was designed to go together but thats not always the situation.

Yondering
12-20-2016, 06:00 PM
I don't know about the 80% Glock frames; I don't intend to bother with them until they are available with steel slide rails front and rear.

If the grip shape bothers you, try the gen4 stuff, with or without different backstraps. The endo can be modified to fit the gen4 without too much work.

barnetmill
02-02-2019, 01:38 PM
I don't know about the 80% Glock frames; I don't intend to bother with them until they are available with steel slide rails front and rear.

If the grip shape bothers you, try the gen4 stuff, with or without different backstraps. The endo can be modified to fit the gen4 without too much work.

There of course is the 18 degree grip angle, but for me the only thing that the 80 % frame has going for it is the lack of serial number other wise the OEM frame is the best choice until proven otherwise. I am told that the new 80 % frames do have steel riveted at both ends instead bonded as they are in the oem frame. After a bunch of these go 30-50,000 then I might consider them as good as the oem.

Gabriel Suarez
02-02-2019, 01:53 PM
80% lowers are like Lone Wolf stuff.

Pure Crap.

jlwilliams
02-02-2019, 03:15 PM
Tried watching, get a "video unavailable" message. Where might I watch it?

Gabriel Suarez
02-02-2019, 03:58 PM
For me...Glock mags belong in Glocks. If I am going to use an AR, I will run AR mags with rifle bullets in them. If I want a 9mm SMG, I will use a weapon designed for same.

TwoBodyOneHead
02-02-2019, 04:39 PM
I've had a little T&E with the Kriss Vector. It's the only platform not birthed by Gaston that seams to want to run Glock magazines. It's however enough of a different manual of arms from the AR that I don't want to put the time into it. I've found it to be unreliable (FTE) with 115gr 9mm. It really wants a can and 147gr to run in my limited experience.

I'm very interested in the Glock PDW concept that this community has pioneered and look forward to learning more here (and spending some time reading to catchup). I feel like I currently have the situational awareness of a brick. Forgive me if above comment is off base.