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Scottman
07-02-2016, 12:04 PM
25 yards


https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13423803_10209283769233377_4454902650702373121_n.j pg?oh=a2f99e5c7288dd6870357f3395249100&oe=58034A2C

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13435532_10209283737672588_5911727197735889137_n.j pg?oh=4c2c980d69e16ac70310086bb098fdd7&oe=57FD503A


took it to 200 yards with irons in an environment where it's flat shooting made getting it there possible. Stuff without a flat trajectory would have hit obstacles.

Yondering
07-02-2016, 01:07 PM
Cool.

Have you had a chance to shoot that over a chrono? I'm pretty curious what the numbers are from that long barrel, might be pretty close to 300 Blk pistol numbers for similar bullet weights.

Scottman
07-02-2016, 01:20 PM
Will do my best Yondering got a lot going on as usual. But that and shooting some of my body armor is on my list, hence why I bought 120 dollars worth of the lighter Dillon loads.

keep in mind too that this is lighter then the Mech tech 357 sig project that I payed close attention to.

feels like one of mine FS 2000s too in balance but obviously smaller

DogDoc
07-02-2016, 03:28 PM
What was the bullet drop at 200 yds?

Yondering
07-03-2016, 12:29 AM
Will do my best Yondering got a lot going on as usual. But that and shooting some of my body armor is on my list, hence why I bought 120 dollars worth of the lighter Dillon loads.

keep in mind too that this is lighter then the Mech tech 357 sig project that I payed close attention to.

feels like one of mine FS 2000s too in balance but obviously smaller

Yes, way lighter than a MechTech by about half, and can handle heavier loads too, being a locked breech instead of blowback. I've considered dropping one of those barrels in my 6" "G20L" slide, but haven't got to it yet. Setting that up with a PDW kit might have some interesting possibilities.

If you're doing some body armor testing, it would be really interesting to try a shot or two with Lehigh's Extreme Defender or Extreme Penetrator bullets. Underwood sells them; at a rough estimate I'd guess 2200+ fps with this round from your 9" barrel: https://www.underwoodammo.com/9x25mm-dillon-90-grain-xtreme-defender/

EDELWEISS
07-03-2016, 07:29 AM
Pics? I'm thinking this might be a candidate for the Endo Shockwave combo....

For what its worth I was / am pondering a MechTech 10 inch "pistol" (357SIG or 10mm) with a Shockwave

TACC
07-03-2016, 07:33 AM
I am with Edel, 9 " barrel is pretty long

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DogDoc
07-03-2016, 07:49 AM
I am with Edel, 9 " barrel is pretty long

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Depends on your application. For a holster pistol the Pinochio barrel would be absurd. But being able to turn your holster pistol into a mini carbine with a barrel change and mag change would be amazingly versatile. With a KAK/Endo added, it'd be an awesome bag gun. Or, put a sling on it and have a great woods-defense/hunting pistol.

Edel, I wouldn't dream of getting a MechTech instead of an Endo/KAK combo. I think Brent and Yondering have really wrung that idea out pretty throughly and found it lacking in comparison.

Doc

EDELWEISS
07-03-2016, 07:51 AM
How would it look in a LONG Slide?

Dry Fork
07-03-2016, 08:05 PM
Who makes the barrel? Interested

DogDoc
07-03-2016, 08:13 PM
Who makes the barrel? Interested

I don't know who made the OP's but KKM makes good ones.

Scottman
07-03-2016, 11:27 PM
Barrel is lone wolf more later

Yondering
07-04-2016, 12:06 AM
How would it look in a LONG Slide?

Send a barrel to me and I'll show ya. :)

TACC
07-04-2016, 07:04 AM
I don't know who made the OP's but KKM makes good ones.
Without a doubt

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Jcord
07-04-2016, 10:44 AM
Yes, way lighter than a MechTech by about half, and can handle heavier loads too, being a locked breech instead of blowback. I've considered dropping one of those barrels in my 6" "G20L" slide, but haven't got to it yet. Setting that up with a PDW kit might have some interesting possibilities.

If you're doing some body armor testing, it would be really interesting to try a shot or two with Lehigh's Extreme Defender or Extreme Penetrator bullets. Underwood sells them; at a rough estimate I'd guess 2200+ fps with this round from your 9" barrel: https://www.underwoodammo.com/9x25mm-dillon-90-grain-xtreme-defender/
Yondering, for the record, I shot a 3a panel with Underwood extreme penetrator 9+p+. From a glock 19. It went through the panel and through the sand bag it was wrapped around. My understanding is they are changing the bullet construction to stay within batfe guidelines.

Scottman
07-04-2016, 12:37 PM
barrel is lone wolf 9 inch long. Works fine in bag. Balanced. Shot as a pistol with iron sights.

I really need some type of optic on the gun to get a real precise drop chart.

Wanting a scope on the set up (might use for hunting) I tried a MAKO and FAB universal mount. I found both to not mount inline with the b arrel . I just ordered a sig mount to try that to see if that would point optics in the same place as the irons. The irons are dead on at 25 yards with that barrel. I mmight just throw the set up in a SIG ACP with optic to get my drop chart.

INteresting on the ammo. How did they change the bullet? it's just copper right?

If liberty civil would make this bullet out of copper http://libertyammunition.com/national-defense-9-x-19mm instead of brass it would not drop as much as their open copper hollow point does at 200 out of 9 mm sub guns.

Jcord
07-04-2016, 12:40 PM
My understanding is they are going to pressurized powdered copper instead of solid.

Scottman
07-04-2016, 01:07 PM
weird. 9 x 25 going above 2000 ft per sec with normal loads out of this long barrel I bet will have no problem going through.

Civil liberty hasn't changed their copper bullets. Regular glock 20 I"m getting around 2300 ft per sec in 10mm load

Svo
07-04-2016, 01:10 PM
Welcome to the party, pal!
I've been trying to get people excited (again) about this caliber for quite a while.

MesserMan
07-04-2016, 01:16 PM
Whoa, that's pretty sweet. If it's not too loud, it will be perfect for a bedside PDW.

Red Ryder
07-04-2016, 01:52 PM
2300 fps in 10mm? Tell me more.... is this the 10mm necked down to 9?


weird. 9 x 25 going above 2000 ft per sec with normal loads out of this long barrel I bet will have no problem going through.

Civil liberty hasn't changed their copper bullets. Regular glock 20 I"m getting around 2300 ft per sec in 10mm load

Scottman
07-04-2016, 02:01 PM
10mm liberty civil load out of a glock 20 standard barrel http://libertyammunition.com/product/civil-defense-10mm

DogDoc
07-04-2016, 06:22 PM
Whoa, that's pretty sweet. If it's not too loud, it will be perfect for a bedside PDW.

I dunno...

A 9mm projectile going that fast indoors wouldn't have much respect for sheet rock. Id think there are probably better choices for indoor work. I personally use a .45 on a Endo/KAK PDW set up. Sometimes slower is better.

TACC
07-04-2016, 07:47 PM
10mm liberty civil load out of a glock 20 standard barrel http://libertyammunition.com/product/civil-defense-10mm
Have you compared this against Underwood ammo?

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Yondering
07-04-2016, 08:16 PM
I dunno...

A 9mm projectile going that fast indoors wouldn't have much respect for sheet rock. Id think there are probably better choices for indoor work. I personally use a .45 on a Endo/KAK PDW set up. Sometimes slower is better.

DogDoc, nothing that penetrates skin has much respect for sheet rock, as you put it. If you can kill a person or large animal with it, it will penetrate household walls.

DogDoc
07-04-2016, 08:51 PM
DogDoc, nothing that penetrates skin has much respect for sheet rock, as you put it. If you can kill a person or large animal with it, it will penetrate household walls.

Agreed. I've seen 45 acp from a handgun blow through an exterior wall. But do you think 9x25 Dillon is a safer choice?

Yondering
07-04-2016, 10:57 PM
Agreed. I've seen 45 acp from a handgun blow through an exterior wall. But do you think 9x25 Dillon is a safer choice?

Regarding penetration of walls - I don't think it makes a difference either way, IMO; either one will penetrate most walls at least some of the time, so whatever you do to account for that will be the same.

Personally I probably would not choose 9x25 for HD anyway, but it's an interesting round.

Scottman
07-06-2016, 08:15 AM
Have you compared this against Underwood ammo?

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in regards to what? drop at distance? body armor? ballistic gel?

I haven't shot that 10mm load out of a 9 inch barrel yet.

If enough people emailed liberty civil defense to make sell their normal bullets and their national defense bullets to reloaders that would be interesting.

If they would make their national defense line in COPPER it wouldn't drop as much at 200 and shoot much flatter then open hollow points.

9 x25 out of a 9 inch barrel shoots FLAT with bullets availlable to reloading if that's what you like to do.

as the walls I would think most loads would go through not matter what. Maybe their is a frangible round combined with the higher velocity would break apart faster.

9x25 would be selected for low weight of ammo and power and flat ness. If it's all I had when I went inside I'd use it obviously.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgCRl80ZPdM out of a normal carry handgun not a 9 inch PDW barrel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5219Q_XpSI Civil liberty and dry wall

Scottman
07-06-2016, 08:23 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0AHntNp3mY 22 TCM 9R to 500 Magnum Body Armor test Level 3A vest

DogDoc
07-13-2016, 01:01 PM
Still waiting for a picture of the Pinochio pistol.