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apamburn
02-05-2016, 06:40 AM
Shortly before Gabe offered his ridiculously reasonable price on the endo combo I was gifted a sb15 buffer tube.

Should I just buy an endo ($40 or so) and slap the tube on, then call it good?

I know with the ar pistol no brace is added as there is little value. This seems different with this weapon.

Should I instead sell the tube and just buy Gabe's combo? Or buy an endo and a shockwave?

Brent Yamamoto
02-05-2016, 06:56 AM
I considered just the tube but I think that's shaky legal ground. The AR NEEDS the tube to function. The brace is legal because it's a BRACE...so on a Glock I'd use the Shockwave.

And it DOES help. I find a brace isn't needed for an AR because the tube works quite well. On the Glock, well I won't go into details but the brace does what it's supposed to.

apamburn
02-05-2016, 09:20 AM
I considered just the tube but I think that's shaky legal ground. The AR NEEDS the tube to function. The brace is legal because it's a BRACE...so on a Glock I'd use the Shockwave.

And it DOES help. I find a brace isn't needed for an AR because the tube works quite well. On the Glock, well I won't go into details but the brace does what it's supposed to.

Interesting angle. So the tube is too high to use as a brace without the shockwave? Just trying to see why there is a greater legal concern without the brace than with.

Brent Yamamoto
02-05-2016, 09:33 AM
I considered just the tube but I think that's shaky legal ground. The AR NEEDS the tube to function. The brace is legal because it's a BRACE.


How else to say this.

All ARs (for our purposes) require a buffer tube. So just seeing an AR pistol does not raise eyebrows.

A Glock does not require a tube to function. It's acceptable to use a Glock with a brace...but to see a bare buffer tube may raise some eyebrows. Hey, it may be totally kosher, what do I know. (Few gun regs make any sense) But I'm not gonna be the one to test it.

Besides, when you can get the whole kit for around $100 why are we even having this discussion?

I've been using the hell out of this set up for a little while now. I don't want to comment further because Mordor is watching...but please trust me that it does work better with the Shockwave.

Yondering
02-05-2016, 09:44 AM
The Shockwave is supposed to fit most pistol buffer tubes, you don't have to use theirs. A tube is what, $20 or so, and really not even worth the discussion.

apamburn
02-05-2016, 11:39 AM
Thanks for the input.

I will go ahead and buy the adapter + shockwave, or if it is close to price of Gabe's package (and I suspect that it will be) I'll just buy that from him.

Scottman
02-05-2016, 03:35 PM
The KPOS pathfinder just has a buffer tube no brace

Brent Yamamoto
02-05-2016, 04:54 PM
The KPOS pathfinder just has a buffer tube no brace

Well, ya got me there.

I still don't think it's a great idea but you guys do what you want. What I will tell you is that in terms of, ya know, actually shooting it, the Shockwave helps.

From the Mako Group's website:
"The Pathfinder KPOS is stabilized by the shooters hands on the pistol, the shooter's cheek on the stabilizer tube, and the sling on the shooter's body. Pushing the Pathfinder KPOS forward against the sling creates tension and stabilizes the pistol."

I haven't used a KPOS but I have used guns using a only cheekweld and sling support (specifically AR and Mechtech pistols). I have practiced with it a lot, and it is useful for some things. But the Glock PDW with the Shockwave is much easier.

Guys, don't take my word for it. Buy the kit from Gabe, it's only $100. Try it with only a buffer tube, try it with the Shockwave; then tell us what is better.

If you don't like the Shockwave, let me know. If I don't have another one by then I'll buy it off you.

Scottman
02-06-2016, 11:10 PM
Yep! Brent I have the mech tech, the glock pdw, the pathfinder etc. I hope to play with them wednesday. The pathfinder has a padded buffer tube for face contact. I'm guessing it could be modded wtih the shockwave.

Dbltap717
02-07-2016, 06:53 AM
Anyone doubting this concept needs to hold one. I haven't shot mine yet but it's safe to say my 17 lives on it now.
Need to find another $200 for a threaded 17 barrel. With the suppressor it'll be perfect.

agreed. I was skeptical; but...just got mine in and modded to fit my gen4 g17 and it's just what the doctor ordered.

I also ordered a threaded Suarez barrel...now to wait patiently for the next batch of barrels to ship!

WinstonSmith
02-07-2016, 10:55 PM
Mine just came in - color me surprised even more so than before. It's much more ... sturdy ... than I would have expected. I think I want 4 or 5 of them, and safe queens are about to exit stage right.

Brent Yamamoto
02-07-2016, 11:22 PM
I think I want 4 or 5 of them, and safe queens are about to exit stage right.

I'm on the same page.

WinstonSmith
02-07-2016, 11:24 PM
I'm on the same page.

Bye bye Beretta Storm?

Brent Yamamoto
02-07-2016, 11:28 PM
Bye bye Beretta Storm?

Well I thought about it but not very seriously. I have an emotional attachment to that gun. It is also a useful training gun for Rifle classes.

I foresee the Storm getting demoted from its place as bedside gun however.

WinstonSmith
02-07-2016, 11:34 PM
Well I thought about it but not very seriously. I have an emotional attachment to that gun. It is also a useful training gun for Rifle classes.

I foresee the Storm getting demoted from its place as bedside gun however.

I think the Uzi is on its way out the door. And as much as I love the uniqueness of it, the PS90 will likely be pushed out in a moment of practicality inspired clarity. I'll have to do some OAL measuring, but I'm thinking the Glock and this brace are as much or more compact as the '90, but: A) it's the same Glock manual of arms, B) I'll pretty much always have the Glock and can easily have the brace, C) I have Glock 9mm mags all over the place, D) I trust defensive 9mm loads more than 5.7 (neutered) loads, and E) the price of a setup SMG is way more money than just setting up an identical Glock, plus the identical Glock serves as backup to the primary (or secondary) should you lose it, have it stolen, whatever ...

Brent Yamamoto
02-07-2016, 11:43 PM
After continuing to work with my PDW folder, I am 100% happy with it. For my needs, the folder absolutely makes sense. But I foresee picking up more of these kits.

One fixed unit needs to be drilled for my G19. That one will come with me when I can't carry the folder.

I think another unit will be modded for my G41. Just because.

Paper Shredder
02-08-2016, 06:08 PM
Hey does Gabes Kit include a tube for the shockwave or is it mounted directly to the endo?

Brent Yamamoto
02-08-2016, 06:47 PM
It includes the tube

from the site....
Features Of PDW Kit:
Add the sleek, lightweight Shockwave Blade pistol stabilizer to your first-, second-, or third-gen full-size Glock pistol. This kit contains all the components needed:


Shockwave Blade, black with cone-point set screw
KAK Shockwave tube with dimples
ENDO Tactical TSA-G adapter for Glock
All mounting hardware

WinstonSmith
02-08-2016, 07:37 PM
Hey does Gabes Kit include a tube for the shockwave or is it mounted directly to the endo?

Comes with a tube.