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Gabriel Suarez
01-28-2016, 07:59 AM
My main issues with the various units are as follows -

1). Extreme length added. I suppose one can do some personal gunsmithing, but better if none was needed. Besides..."altering" the unit may not be a wise action.

2). Robustness. We are talking a 9mm here and snot something you are going to do a bayonet charge with. So the robustness necessary to use on a 308 battle rifle is not the point. However, the "cheapskate-ak-buyer" is often the focus of hinge makers.

3). Almost the antithesis of number two is cost. Reasonable is reasonable. $200 for a hinge...for this application is a little over the top.

Brent Yamamoto
01-28-2016, 08:51 AM
I agree with Gabe's comments. Putting a good folder on the Glock PDW comes at a price, both in terms of dollars and a less balanced, simple, and elegant weapon. I like the unit better without the folder...but for my purposes it was worth the tradeoff so it fits into a smaller package.

I was willing to spend the money on a robust folder. (With all the money I've spent experimenting with different PDW concepts, $130 to finally arrive at the perfect solution was cheap!) I refuse to put flimsy crap on any of my guns, so I found the best thing I could for the money (cheaper than a Law Tactical but more than AK cheapskate). I think most will find that a folder is unnecessary.

It just depends on what you want and what you're doing with it. If you can carry it without a folder I think that is better.

CabbitOne
01-28-2016, 08:55 AM
Has anything been deemed workable or even worthwhile?

(Other than the LAW, which is overkill for anything that doesn't require the buffer tube cycle the action)

FRISCH
01-28-2016, 09:17 AM
Hera sfu....

Brent Yamamoto
01-28-2016, 10:52 PM
Search MDT chassis. It's a little heavy, but it is a robust piece. Probably heavier duty than necessary for this application, but I will always lean towards better quality.

CaptBeach
01-29-2016, 04:10 AM
Hotmess...

http://14544-presscdn-0-64.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/UDP901.jpg

jcart
01-29-2016, 02:21 PM
That is artwork.
Specs???

Badger
01-29-2016, 02:43 PM
I agree with Gabe's comments. Putting a good folder on the Glock PDW comes at a price, both in terms of dollars and a less balanced, simple, and elegant weapon. I like the unit better without the folder...but for my purposes it was worth the tradeoff so it fits into a smaller package.

I was willing to spend the money on a robust folder. (With all the money I've spent experimenting with different PDW concepts, $130 to finally arrive at the perfect solution was cheap!) I refuse to put flimsy crap on any of my guns, so I found the best thing I could for the money (cheaper than a Law Tactical but more than AK cheapskate). I think most will find that a folder is unnecessary.

It just depends on what you want and what you're doing with it. If you can carry it without a folder I think that is better.

I have no dog in the fight except to say your folder pdw was the first one I could see myself owning because of its compactness. I'd like to shoot both before I made a decision either way. Also, I have no problem paying money for quality.

Brent Yamamoto
01-29-2016, 03:13 PM
Badger I'd be happy to let you shoot mine if/when you're in the Seattle area.

I'd buy the PDW package that Gabe is selling now. With or without the folder, you'll be happy with it.

Badger
01-29-2016, 03:17 PM
I may get one or two. I have a 10mm that might go with this like PB&J.

Greg Nichols
01-29-2016, 03:22 PM
I may get one or two. I have a 10mm that might go with this like PB&J.

Like ball bats and baby seals

Shotgunwillie
01-29-2016, 06:39 PM
Like ball bats and baby seals


Like peanut butter and ladies.

Gabriel Suarez
01-29-2016, 06:42 PM
These are all components so one could always add the folding unit later.

GemJedi
01-29-2016, 08:59 PM
These are all components so one could always add the folding unit later.

46743

Can you give info on this hinge, or was it the result of dungeon gunsmithing?

Housertl
01-30-2016, 07:19 AM
46743

Can you give info on this hinge, or was it the result of dungeon gunsmithing?

just a guess, but it looks like an ACE. Maybe the push-button?

Scottman
01-30-2016, 08:44 AM
Ordered the PDW a couple days ago but am still very interested in a folder like Brent's application.

barnetmill
01-30-2016, 09:41 AM
Compatible with Gen 1, Gen 2, and Gen 3 full-size Glocks: 17, 20, 21, 22, 24, 31, 34, 35, 37, and 18.

Is there anyway that the user can adapt this to a 19? I really like this concept and will buy it if I can get it to function well with my RMR G19 3rd generation.

Gabriel Suarez
01-30-2016, 09:45 AM
Kinda dungeoun smithing. See how it basically adds two inches to the whole deal? The LOP was a little more than preferred. But I will still see about finding a solution.

CaptBeach
01-30-2016, 09:50 AM
Kinda dungeoun smithing. See how it basically adds two inches to the whole deal? The LOP was a little more than preferred. But I will still see about finding a solution.

I am sure the Heavily Tatoo'd Gun Dwarfs can take something and make it smaller...I believe...LOL...

Brent Yamamoto
01-30-2016, 09:53 AM
Yondering is coming to our training class tonight. He has a G19 with the PDW set up, we will take some pics comparing folder, no folder, G19, etc.

GemJedi
01-30-2016, 11:25 AM
Kinda dungeoun smithing. See how it basically adds two inches to the whole deal? The LOP was a little more than preferred. But I will still see about finding a solution.

'nuff said, I will wait for the Suarez Tier 1 folder and order the existing brace for current needs. I am deciding between the 17 and 19 but I think the 17 since it is purpose built for the Suarez PDW forearm brace (which I understand is not for shouldering as that would be illegal). I am restricted to ten rounds where I live no matter which I choose so the mag in the gun will be ten.

Dorkface
01-30-2016, 11:33 AM
Kinda dungeoun smithing. See how it basically adds two inches to the whole deal? The LOP was a little more than preferred. But I will still see about finding a solution.


It could be a benefit to those of us whom fall in to the behemoth category... While I haven't played with this set up I know an AR pistol leaves me all scrunched up like a scared school girl lol.

CaptBeach
01-30-2016, 11:40 AM
Also just saw that SI is offering the Angstadt 9mm AR (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/angstadt-arms-udp-9-pistol.aspx#.Vq0SkFJNmpE) but out of stock...maybe we will see one with a KAK Blade and a Law Folder soon...from their Instagram site...

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12407495_808086565963253_100278705_n.jpg

Not a folder but collapsible...
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12568198_1680853188827179_220701957_n.jpg
Oh so sexy...
https://angstadtarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/angstadt-arms-udp9-arc-pdw-stock-right.jpg

Vigilant
01-30-2016, 12:43 PM
Kinda dungeoun smithing. See how it basically adds two inches to the whole deal? The LOP was a little more than preferred. But I will still see about finding a solution.
If I could, I HIGHLY recommend the LAW folder, it is as Tier 1 as kit can get, when made to do something a system isn't supposed to do! I recently built an AR pistol, and this folding mech is the stuff! An 11" bbl. with KAK tube fits in an Oakley Icon backpack while folded. I also have 2-20 rd Pmags, and 2-30 rd Pmags, and 2-17 rd 19 mags in an active shooter bag stuffed inside as well! The Law would take a 17-22-34-35 et. al. And push the package into nearly a woman's purse. Is the LAW overkill on an otherwise plastic host system? Probably, but this is want, not need we are talking here!

jcart
01-30-2016, 02:38 PM
Also just saw that SI is offering the Angstadt 9mm AR (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/angstadt-arms-udp-9-pistol.aspx#.Vq0SkFJNmpE) but out of stock...maybe we will see one with a KAK Blade and a Law Folder soon...from their Instagram site...

https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12407495_808086565963253_100278705_n.jpg

Not a folder but collapsible...
https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12568198_1680853188827179_220701957_n.jpg
Oh so sexy...
https://angstadtarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/angstadt-arms-udp9-arc-pdw-stock-right.jpg

Thanks Cap. Somehow I missed.

blastjv
01-30-2016, 03:44 PM
If I could, I HIGHLY recommend the LAW folder, it is as Tier 1 as kit can get, when made to do something a system isn't supposed to do! I recently built an AR pistol, and this folding mech is the stuff! An 11" bbl. with KAK tube fits in an Oakley Icon backpack while folded. I also have 2-20 rd Pmags, and 2-30 rd Pmags, and 2-17 rd 19 mags in an active shooter bag stuffed inside as well! The Law would take a 17-22-34-35 et. al. And push the package into nearly a woman's purse. Is the LAW overkill on an otherwise plastic host system? Probably, but this is want, not need we are talking here!I have a LAW on my 5.56 AR PDW and it is LEGIT, but not only would it be overkill in strength, etc, it would add a LOT of unecessary weight (about a pound, I believe).

Scottman
01-30-2016, 03:46 PM
do they have a collapsible arm brace for that AR pistol?

CaptBeach
01-30-2016, 03:54 PM
I have a LAW on my 5.56 AR PDW and it is LEGIT, but not only would it be overkill in strength, etc, it would add a LOT of unecessary weight (about a pound, I believe).

8.5OZ for the Gen III folding mechanism.

Pachucko
01-31-2016, 07:11 AM
Also just saw that SI is offering the Angstadt 9mm AR (http://www.onesourcetactical.com/angstadt-arms-udp-9-pistol.aspx#.Vq0SkFJNmpE) but out of stock...maybe we will see one with a KAK Blade and a Law Folder soon...from their Instagram site...


Are these in the wild yet?? I could see that replacing several of my PCCs if it tests out.

barnetmill
01-31-2016, 07:44 AM
I looked up Yonderling's on the G19 modifications starting at: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?127371-AN-INTERESTING-NON-STOCK-STOCK&p=1772436&highlight=Glock#post1772436
post 68.
I would pay a little more for a template to be included to help locate the needed drilled hole and maybe it already exists on the internet. Be even nicer is these units came with the G19 hole already in place.
Anyway I am sold on the concept.

EDELWEISS
01-31-2016, 05:15 PM
If or I guess since the various folding mechanisms add length (too much???)....Couldnt the buffer tube and or brace be shortened to reduce the difference. It looks like there is plenty of room to shorten the front of the brace AND the buffer is just a hollow tube that holds the brace, so it has no length requirement.
IS THERE A REASON NOT TO SHORTEN THE BRACE AND TUBE???

Also I keep going back the NOT A STOCK "Grip" design. It would be thinner and quicker to assemble and could be used with your holster pistol...

Housertl
01-31-2016, 05:42 PM
If or I guess since the various folding mechanisms add length (too much???)....Couldnt the buffer tube and or brace be shortened to reduce the difference. It looks like there is plenty of room to shorten the front of the brace AND the buffer is just a hollow tube that holds the brace, so it has no length requirement.
IS THERE A REASON NOT TO SHORTEN THE BRACE AND TUBE???

Also I keep going back the NOT A STOCK "Grip" design. It would be thinner and quicker to assemble and could be used with your holster pistol...

im working on a prototype...