What does South Africa need?

[Boetman]

Howsit Clan

I have been racking my brain to start a business in SA, but are coming up a bit blank. I have read about quite a few business men on the forum, who have spoken about the advantages of dealing in/with third world countries and how well they are doing. I dont want to steal anybodies sunshine, but would like some pointers from you guys. I know a couple of you have visited our 'Fair' Kingdom, and would like an outsiders view of what you think might be worthwhile to invest time and effort in.
I am pretty sure there has to be a niche market that has not been developed, cause I believe nothing in life is undoable or impossible.
What do you guys want when you come here?(exept steak and lions):sniper:

I would love to train people in Suarez Courses, but seems the sheeple attitude is very prevelant in our society. I am not aware of anybody that can actualy do training fulltime and make a living only from it. You would think in our crime ridden country it would be a major business.

Any input would be appreciated, only a dumb person thinks he knows everything.

[Trench]

Hi Boetman

I am puzzled as to why people still have their heads in the sand in regard to personal security. I was reading Ilana Mercer's "Into the cannibals pot" and it seems like thinks were pretty bad. We have that here in the USA but our communists haven't fully revealed themselves yet. Most people still labor under the illusion of personal safety and business opportunity.

I have also read that there were gangs who were doing things like pulling down power transmission lines and selling the metals for scrap. This was creating blackouts (no pun intended) and other disruptions.

Has it gotten any better as far as stability/crime/infrastructure? What environment are you going to be operating in? Surely the government interference into the economy is creating shortages that would in turn create business opportunities.

Good Luck and God Bless.

[Greg Nichols]

Maybe "the sheeple" are the ones you should take the money from? Maybe private/arms security business. You could train the employees in gunfighting and keep the sheeple safe and cozy at night, run instruction as a side portion of the business.

[Gabriel Suarez]

I have been there twice. The western world pretty well sodomized your country. With the ANC in power, the only thing to do is go elsewhere. I know that doesn't help, but I think a bloodless path to prosperity and capitalism is not in the cards.

[barnetmill]

I have been there twice. The western world pretty well sodomized your country. With the ANC in power, the only thing to do is go elsewhere. I know that doesn't help, but I think a bloodless path to prosperity and capitalism is not in the cards.

There are a fair number of former white south africans now in the US. Mostly anglo south africans, but I did meet one fellow that was an Afrikaans speaker. I heard his name and his accent and asked if he was from there.

The land is still a big question there relative as to whom should own it. The whites own a very big chunk of the better land. The big money international groups have a big say there and highly responsible for the current state of affairs. I am talking about the people that own the mines and such.

[John Chambers]

Am I evil because I considered the following?

1. A good plague
2. A Reconquista
3. Immigration by pirate producers.

[C.J. Singleton]

Am I evil because I considered the following?

1. A good plague
2. A Reconquista
3. Immigration by pirate producers.

Re take Rhodesia first and use it as a staging area

[Gabriel Suarez]

At the risk of sounding racist, I would urge the interested to do a study on Rhodesia and South Africa...and read about who actually built the infrastructure that the ANC is now enjoying. Then I would urge a study of Guns, Germs, and Steel...perhaps a bit challenging for the unwashed, but it will illuminate a great deal about Africa and its inhabitants...past and present.

[The rifleman next door]

Am I evil because I considered the following?

1. A good plague
2. A Reconquista
3. Immigration by pirate producers.

How about a targeted genetic virus that sterilizes black females by swelling their ovaries..... thereby reducing the native birthrate 90%.......not that I think about this very much or anything....

[Boetman]

There are a fair number of former white south africans now in the US. Mostly anglo south africans, but I did meet one fellow that was an Afrikaans speaker. I heard his name and his accent and asked if he was from there.

The land is still a big question there relative as to whom should own it. The whites own a very big chunk of the better land. The big money international groups have a big say there and highly responsible for the current state of affairs. I am talking about the people that own the mines and such.

You are actualy quite wrong here. The Transkei, Ciskei are some of the most fertile land in South Africa. It is Black comanage, and is overgrazed and under utilised. Its actualy quite a dump. The International companies are slowly withdrawing because Eskom cant give enough electricity and because of all the strikes caused by labour unions.
The people you are refering to that own mines, are mostly goverment Brother Cousins.
If a true study are actualy ever done, it will come to the forefront that most of the small replublics were bought from chieftains, and that central South Africa were uninhibated. Genocide and small pox were in the order of the day.
I would rather not rant, but the facts displayed internationally are mostly twisted to suite the Goverment.

[Boetman]

There are a fair number of former white south africans now in the US. Mostly anglo south africans, but I did meet one fellow that was an Afrikaans speaker. I heard his name and his accent and asked if he was from there.

The land is still a big question there relative as to whom should own it. The whites own a very big chunk of the better land. The big money international groups have a big say there and highly responsible for the current state of affairs. I am talking about the people that own the mines and such.

You are actualy quite wrong here. The Transkei, Ciskei are some of the most fertile land in South Africa. It is Black comanage, and is overgrazed and under utilised. Its actualy quite a dump. The International companies are slowly withdrawing because Eskom cant give enough electricity and because of all the strikes caused by labour unions.
The people you are refering to that own mines, are mostly goverment Brother Cousins.
If a true study are actualy ever done, it will come to the forefront that most of the small replublics were bought from chieftains, and that central South Africa were uninhibated. Genocide and small pox were in the order of the day.
I would rather not rant, but the facts displayed internationally are mostly twisted to suite the Goverment.

And your mate the South African is probably one of the Yes voters who asked for the current situation, and when he saw what were happening jumped ship, to leave the commoner who did not ask for this, to burn.

[Boetman]

Hi Boetman

I am puzzled as to why people still have their heads in the sand in regard to personal security. I was reading Ilana Mercer's "Into the cannibals pot" and it seems like thinks were pretty bad. We have that here in the USA but our communists haven't fully revealed themselves yet. Most people still labor under the illusion of personal safety and business opportunity.

I have also read that there were gangs who were doing things like pulling down power transmission lines and selling the metals for scrap. This was creating blackouts (no pun intended) and other disruptions.

Has it gotten any better as far as stability/crime/infrastructure? What environment are you going to be operating in? Surely the government interference into the economy is creating shortages that would in turn create business opportunities.

Good Luck and God Bless.

There is a few that are pulling there heads out, Trench, but they are far and few apart. Yes they are pulling electricity lines down and stealing solar pannels from the telephone lines to the extent that some rural farms dont have telephone service anymore. Telkom withdrew from certain districts.
The voids in the economy gets filled mostly by some ministers brother son, the system is quite corrupt and uncontrollable. Zuma spent R240,000,000 on security upgrades at his house, which were probably triple inflated, SABC lost R14,000,000, dont know where its gone, SAL needs pulling from the dumps yearly. When Eskom goes to shit, some minister sells Coal to the substations.

Sorry to rant, Thanks for the Bless, I have no doubt that me and my family is Blessed to an unfathomable extent.

[Boetman]

Maybe "the sheeple" are the ones you should take the money from? Maybe private/arms security business. You could train the employees in gunfighting and keep the sheeple safe and cozy at night, run instruction as a side portion of the business.

Shot Fuzzy, I were actualy discussing this with my wife last night. What we came up with was to render a service to tourists of protection when they come and visit south africa. If I were able to show a resume of INTERNATIONAL courses done in defence/protection, I believe preverance would be given to myself. If a service like this is made available to the normal tourist at an affordable rate, it may just be the answer. Will investigate a bit.

[Danneskjold]

I also lack ideas, but my current plan revolves around leaving as well.

Working on a US green card and a British passport currently, but dealing with any government is painful. Bureaucracy is the devil. I should also be working harder on finding companies that sponsor work visas in my field, but time is finite and those weights won't lift themselves.

As to security companies: we have a host of them, all employing under-skilled and under-educated people; although these guys probably have a success (catch) rate similar to the police, since our police are mostly under-skilled, under-educated and under-motivated. And they also think catching non-violent marijuana dealers is more noteworthy than catching torturing home invaders.

[Boetman]

I have been there twice. The western world pretty well sodomized your country. With the ANC in power, the only thing to do is go elsewhere. I know that doesn't help, but I think a bloodless path to prosperity and capitalism is not in the cards.

Howsit Baas Gabe, your post actualy made me quite sad. You are probably right in saying that we should immigrate, its difficult to have worked your whole life for a dream, which we are finally very close to attaining. Fulltime farming with the family. and now leaving everything behind. Its a difficult choice. I wake up sometimes at night, and feel scared for the sake of my daughter and our other little baby on the way. What future do they have? My boet has the same problem, and it also hounds him. But then when the sun comes up in the morning, things look better again, and we put our full effort in. I know God protects my family and HE will provide, so the restlessness goes away.
Its also not the wests fault what happened in my country, its our own fault. We were a great nation, the Iron Fist of Africa. We have the most Gold, Platinum , Diamonds, were able to build everything we needed. We became week in the head, scared of a couple half assed terrs. We stopped trusting God, and then this kind of thing happens. We sold out Rhodesia.
We did this not the Western World. My father and his fathers aged men. FW de KLerk Pik Botha, those are the people that tratored us, and I am glad that I are not those traitors, cause , Pappa, the Devil is gonna make the fire especially hot for them.

[Boetman]

Am I evil because I considered the following?

1. A good plague
2. A Reconquista
3. Immigration by pirate producers.

John, you never cease to amaze me. You are realy a Rocket scientist (as myself) cause I came to a pretty simmilar conclusion. Reckon you might just be the opposite of evil.

[Boetman]

Re take Rhodesia first and use it as a staging area

Cj, Rhodesia is F%$ked. Its a green desert there. Mugabe are now asking White farmers to return, cause his land reform was a dissaster. His people are hungry.

[Boetman]

How about a targeted genetic virus that sterilizes black females by swelling their ovaries..... thereby reducing the native birthrate 90%.......not that I think about this very much or anything....

They reckon AIDS are doing its part at the moment, but when you have finalized your virus, I am sure I can find a buyer locally(America) and internationally, who will be interrested. Whole World comes to mind.:ponder:

Seems like everybody has the problem with the 'have 15kids from 16different fathers and the goverment must pay' sydrome.

[C.J. Singleton]

Cj, Rhodesia is F%$ked. Its a green desert there. Mugabe are now asking White farmers to return, cause his land reform was a dissaster. His people are hungry.

I don't doubt it, I just have a soft spot for the place good friend of mine who lives in Bahrain is an old school Rhodie who fought in the war.

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[Boetman]

I don't doubt it, I just have a soft spot for the place good friend of mine who lives in Bahrain is an old school Rhodie who fought in the war.

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ja mate, foodbasket of africa. The Rodesians were hard buggers, sad that SA sold them out when they needed them the most.

[Gabriel Suarez]

His people are hungry.

The same people that kicked out the white farmers? Let them all starve to death, and then go back.

[Gabriel Suarez]

Boetman,

When I was there last my host and I had dinner with a family there. British Africans (we could say white as I am immune from fear of being called a racist). Their teenaged daughter had apparently run afoul of the police recently when she allowed some black africans being chased by the police to take refuge in their home...and then refusing entry to the pursuing police. At dinner she regaled us in a very Kayla-esque manner of how evil the whites were and how the blacks needed to be helped and such.

We see the same self-hatred in many Americans here. Sort of a generational Stockholm syndrome I suppose. Yes...stupid white South Africans gave you the ANC, but not without help from Europe and the USA.

[Boetman]

Boetman,

When I was there last my host and I had dinner with a family there. British Africans (we could say white as I am immune from fear of being called a racist). Their teenaged daughter had apparently run afoul of the police recently when she allowed some black africans being chased by the police to take refuge in their home...and then refusing entry to the pursuing police. At dinner she regaled us in a very Kayla-esque manner of how evil the whites were and how the blacks needed to be helped and such.

We see the same self-hatred in many Americans here. Sort of a generational Stockholm syndrome I suppose. Yes...stupid white South Africans gave you the ANC, but not without help from Europe and the USA.

Agreed 100% Gabe. Were talking to my Dad awhile ago about America. He reckons that you guys wont alow this f%$ken idiot president of yours to ruin your country. To many patriots and true Americans still left. I hope he is right. Its always heart warming to watch movies like Lone Survivor, Act Of Valor and American Sniper, to see how proud you guys are of the American Flag and how the guys from Texas honour there States Flag. We used to be a proud nation like that aswell, The Oranje, Blanje, Blou were our pride and joy at school, used to sing songs about how lovely our country is and about fallen Warriors in the Boer War and Blood River.
Now we have a Gstring for a flag and our anthem praises the Heathen ancestor Nkosi Sikelele.
Best of luck to guys and girls over there, I hope you can save your country from the Rot and Filth that gets protected by your Goverment. Stay proud and fight the Good Fight, by any means possible.

[bog]

B- if I were to go back and start another business, I would think hard about selling fatness, fat people with no discipline are addicted to sugar, sell it to them, a while ago I was in a pizza and ice cream joint taking the family out on a special treat (I have young children who pick pizza over steak... can't wait till that changes!), the place is always busy but this one night damn near every other person in the place was a fat blob stuffing their face, carbs sell like it or not, build the biz and then rake in profit or sell it, hire a manager and give them a low pay with a big bonus based on results and you will barely have to show up except to run the P&L, take the profits, invest and live off the dividends, or options trading or reinvest in to your farm or some such thing, maybe you could start the thing overseas if it's as a backup for when it's time to leave....

when I'm watching Shark Tank I always like the licensing ideas too, I need a product/idea I can trademark or patent and sell to a big boy who will push the goods for me, maybe someday... best of luck

[EDELWEISS]

No answers but lots of prayers my brother.

[barnetmill]

You are actualy quite wrong here. The Transkei, Ciskei are some of the most fertile land in South Africa. It is Black comanage, and is overgrazed and under utilised. Its actualy quite a dump. The International companies are slowly withdrawing because Eskom cant give enough electricity and because of all the strikes caused by labour unions.
The people you are refering to that own mines, are mostly goverment Brother Cousins.
If a true study are actualy ever done, it will come to the forefront that most of the small replublics were bought from chieftains, and that central South Africa were uninhibated. Genocide and small pox were in the order of the day.
I would rather not rant, but the facts displayed internationally are mostly twisted to suite the Goverment.

And your mate the South African is probably one of the Yes voters who asked for the current situation, and when he saw what were happening jumped ship, to leave the commoner who did not ask for this, to burn.
The guy that that was Afrikaner was not my mate, just someone I met once. If he was living in the pensacola area there is no reason to suppose he was wealthy. Probably had relatives in the US and he could buy a plane ticket. People that own property in south africa might have a reason to stay.
Whites are less than 9% of population there. From what I understand the former bantustans were ecologically overgrazed back in the apartheid days and did not produce a lot. I am quite sure the lands that produce are not owned by africans. If I was a person that wagers I would bet within 20 yrs those whites will not own those big farms. I know in the past diamond and gold mines were owned off-shore. Maybe as you say that has changed. I use to know many years ago in a neighboring african country some of the top people that were in the ANC and they were moscow communists in their thinking at the time. Younger ones at lower levels had no ideology and basically were thug wannabees and did not like whites. If I was white and had a means of leaving south africa for the US or perhaps someplace in South America I certainly would.
If you can arrive in the USA with a green card and a few bucks you can earn a living here. You may be at first be flipping burgers or such, but you can make a living here and do not have to be wealthy to make it here. But maybe in a few years our social problems will be worse than yours.
On the one trip I made to south africa in the old days on a train I was amazed at the blatant racism on the parts of the white youth to Africans. Basically they had no idea that in a few years the ANC would take over that country. I suggest being realistic. 9% versus a lot of people that do not like you are poor odds.

[Boetman]

The guy that that was Afrikaner was not my mate, just someone I met once. If he was living in the pensacola area there is no reason to suppose he was wealthy. Probably had relatives in the US and he could buy a plane ticket. People that own property in south africa might have a reason to stay.
Whites are less than 9% of population there. From what I understand the former bantustans were ecologically overgrazed back in the apartheid days and did not produce a lot. I am quite sure the lands that produce are not owned by africans. If I was a person that wagers I would bet within 20 yrs those whites will not own those big farms. I know in the past diamond and gold mines were owned off-shore. Maybe as you say that has changed. I use to know many years ago in a neighboring african country some of the top people that were in the ANC and they were moscow communists in their thinking at the time. Younger ones at lower levels had no ideology and basically were thug wannabees and did not like whites. If I was white and had a means of leaving south africa for the US or perhaps someplace in South America I certainly would.
If you can arrive in the USA with a green card and a few bucks you can earn a living here. You may be at first be flipping burgers or such, but you can make a living here and do not have to be wealthy to make it here. But maybe in a few years our social problems will be worse than yours.
On the one trip I made to south africa in the old days on a train I was amazed at the blatant racism on the parts of the white youth to Africans. Basically they had no idea that in a few years the ANC would take over that country. I suggest being realistic. 9% versus a lot of people that do not like you are poor odds.

Alot of white owned farms(that were export producers and big cattle and sheep farms) have been GIVEN to blacks by the goverment. There is nothing going on there now. In whitlesea a couple of years ago (its in the Ciskei) the Germans built up a huge dairy farm for the natives. The farm were managed by a German, teaching the natives the whole process. The day (after years of teaching them) the farm were handed over, the new owners had a huge party. Three days later when they came out of the Party mood, the local state Vet had to go and shoot more than half the herd with mastitis. The other half were sold of. In the former transkei is sheds with implements in, that has never been used, Commercial farmers fly over with microlights, and go and buy these huge sheds from chieftains, never been used. Our neighbouring farm were bought by a whole lot of Black Famas, its a 2000ha spread, there were about twenty windmills, camps were 100% a awesome farm. They paid the deposit, and not a cent more. The farm is in shambles. Think there is one windmill working. Fencing is F%$ked. Goverment came and took back half the farm and put game on so the Famas could generate an income from a Lodge and hunting. Its gone bang aswell. All the game is poached etc. White farmers are now renting some of the farm. When a local farmer tried to help them, he were chased away after two weeks.
The Bantustans has chiefs, who control the land. You pay to graze your cattle there. Overgrazing is of there own doing. Give me a 100ha near Port St Johns, and I would be a miljoener in a couple of years.
My Dad owns a decent spread, he worked his ass of for it. Nothing were ever given to him for free. Every native that were ever moved of land, were reimbursed or given new land, now the goverment are giving there old land back, so now they have double. And still nothing is going on there. And our 9% are giving these guys food. What you reckon will happen if all white farmers left? These guys will start eating each other.
Ja, best bet is to immigrate and in twenty years we might not have our farms anymore. Do you like all the immigrants in your country? In australia they treat us like shit, Canada the same story. You see us as immgrants and people that come take jobs away from your fellow countrymen.
I hope things change here for the better, we are pushing for a Volkstaat and our own Right to rule ourselves.

[barnetmill]

Good luck with having a"
we are pushing for a Volkstaat and our own Right to rule ourselves. Currently there are not enough SA immigrants to be recognized in the US. Issue here is with illegals and many still have no problems with peopling hiring them just like was always done on the farms in the old days in SA. For some reason there some farms often preferred non-south africans for work.
The important thing to understand is that the people that run african governments never had much experience working or most importantly running a business. The boer government was unjust, but the country ran. The old saying that he who does work or produce eventually shall not eat. The ANC did not win a war and rather outside forces forced the old government to capitulate like was done in the former Rhodesian.

[Boetman]

Good luck with having a" Currently there are not enough SA immigrants to be recognized in the US. Issue here is with illegals and many still have no problems with peopling hiring them just like was always done on the farms in the old days in SA. For some reason there some farms often preferred non-south africans for work.
The important thing to understand is that the people that run african governments never had much experience working or most importantly running a business. The boer government was unjust, but the country ran. The old saying that he who does work or produce eventually shall not eat. The ANC did not win a war and rather outside forces forced the old government to capitulate like was done in the former Rhodesian.

What is unjust about giving each nation his own state so he can live how he wants to? Please when you do come to SA again I will take you to the factories that were built in the apartheids years in the transkei. By the Apartheid Goverment. For the Xhosa tribe. Firms were given tax rebates if they started factories in the bantustands. South Africa would have been like your America, where each rules himself, with an overall goverment. High speed trains were in the pipeline, so anybody that lived in a Bantustand could come work in factories, and go back every evening to there home and spend there money in there own homeland. Very similiar as your reservations for the red indians.
Please tell me how many years does a person need to learn how to rule a country or do business? My dad was a pilot, with no farming experience, he bought a farm and thought himself to farm. He is now a commercial farmer supllying food to this nation.
And nobody hired any illegals here, cause they couldnt come into the country cause we had protected borders. Ever heard of the border war and kaplyne?
No goverment were capu.....what ever the f&*k, treason and lies were what toppled us. Preachers changing from praying for the boys on the border, to teaching people its wrong what we were doing. You guys put the pressure on us, but you were still buying our Gold and Platinum.
And dont call my forefathers unjust, you dont have a clue what you are talking about.
Building schools, hospitals houses and factories,unjust? We didnt get paid for taking scalps or made a whole nation alcholics, we didnt sell blankets with smallpox to them, and we sure as F*&k didnt kill the Buffaloe into almost extinction.
WE brought Jesus (which I have my own opinion about) to them, and vacanated there kids against smallpox.

[Boetman]

And shot for the good wishes for a Volkstaat, if it ever does happen, well, doubt you will fit in, so dont bother visiting.

[EDELWEISS]

Broer, there are immigrants and then there are IMMIGRANTS. The U.S. has never turned away good working folks who want to come here and make money. I don't know KAK about farming or even if its possible to start from scratch here. As for the U.S. not failing, it surely feels like we are on the same path to destruction as SA and Rhodesia because of the leaders we keep electing. Personally I love to see the world "hiccup" so we could start over, just the same as Id love to see the Boers and maybe some friends say "NO" in SA, Namibia, and Rhodesia and bring back the old ways

[barnetmill]

What is unjust about giving each nation his own state so he can live how he wants to? Please when you do come to SA again I will take you to the factories that were built in the apartheids years in the transkei. By the Apartheid Goverment. For the Xhosa tribe. Firms were given tax rebates if they started factories in the bantustands. South Africa would have been like your America, where each rules himself, with an overall goverment. High speed trains were in the pipeline, so anybody that lived in a Bantustand could come work in factories, and go back every evening to there home and spend there money in there own homeland. Very similiar as your reservations for the red indians.
Please tell me how many years does a person need to learn how to rule a country or do business? My dad was a pilot, with no farming experience, he bought a farm and thought himself to farm. He is now a commercial farmer supllying food to this nation.
And nobody hired any illegals here, cause they couldnt come into the country cause we had protected borders. Ever heard of the border war and kaplyne?
No goverment were capu.....what ever the f&*k, treason and lies were what toppled us. Preachers changing from praying for the boys on the border, to teaching people its wrong what we were doing. You guys put the pressure on us, but you were still buying our Gold and Platinum.
And dont call my forefathers unjust, you dont have a clue what you are talking about.
Building schools, hospitals houses and factories,unjust? We didnt get paid for taking scalps or made a whole nation alcholics, we didnt sell blankets with smallpox to them, and we sure as F*&k didnt kill the Buffaloe into almost extinction.
WE brought Jesus (which I have my own opinion about) to them, and vacanated there kids against smallpox.
Hey I am not disagreeing with you on the factories that were built but on other things.
The brits handed control of south africa to boers and boers managed to create on there own the dislike of just about the entire black population. many of the coloreds, and Indians were not too happy. It is called disenfranchisement when you deny people the right to vote. When 9% control the government of a country the other 91% will not be content. What is sad is that the black people were not prepared to share in government and now all we are seeing a lot destructive behavior there. The best course for whites there is to immigrate.
I happen to know in old days people crossed the borders all of the time at places other than the official crossings. These were people with jobs awaiting them from farmers that were known to them. They were not going to the places around Jo'Burg to stay.
The american border is guarded and people make it across all of the time. I do believe if we really wanted to our border could be sealed, but a lot of people like to hire the illegal hispanic workers that work hard and cheap. The same thinking likely prevailed on farms in south africa. I do not know what it is like now. In the old days a non-south african black crosses that border legally or illegally and works for a year or so, he returns home and pays the lobollo to the parents and buys a wife. Stays there awhile, long enough to build a caniso hut and he and the new wife plant some crops and he gets her pregnant. He goes to south africa works a while longer and buys his second wife. About then he might retire with his women unless he wants to go back and save to buy a pickup truck or enough for a tractor. I remember once talking to a fellow that was looking for a woman in the apartment complex where I was. He had some sacks of maize and other things that her man had sent for her from south africa. He found she had gone off with someone else. He told me when he returned to south africa he would tell the man that he could not find his woman and not that she could not wait and went off with someone else.

[Gabriel Suarez]

When the Israelites conquered certain nations, God told them to wipe everything out...every living thing. Hmmm. Perhaps He knew a few things that the kinder and gentler nicer-than-God types forgot. One wonders.

[Boetman]

When the Israelites conquered certain nations, God told them to wipe everything out...every living thing. Hmmm. Perhaps He knew a few things that the kinder and gentler nicer-than-God types forgot. One wonders.

As usual, hitting the nail on the head. But I dont want to get to involved with that comment, kinda not the place and time. Though I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Boers at Blood River decided to follow on there victory by chasing there enemy into the sea? Lock stock and barrel.

[Boetman]

Broer, there are immigrants and then there are IMMIGRANTS. The U.S. has never turned away good working folks who want to come here and make money. I don't know KAK about farming or even if its possible to start from scratch here. As for the U.S. not failing, it surely feels like we are on the same path to destruction as SA and Rhodesia because of the leaders we keep electing. Personally I love to see the world "hiccup" so we could start over, just the same as Id love to see the Boers and maybe some friends say "NO" in SA, Namibia, and Rhodesia and bring back the old ways

Ja Bro, a hiccup anytime soon would be nice:yup:

[Boetman]

Hey I am not disagreeing with you on the factories that were built but on other things.
The brits handed control of south africa to boers and boers managed to create on there own the dislike of just about the entire black population. many of the coloreds, and Indians were not too happy. It is called disenfranchisement when you deny people the right to vote. When 9% control the government of a country the other 91% will not be content. What is sad is that the black people were not prepared to share in government and now all we are seeing a lot destructive behavior there. The best course for whites there is to immigrate.
I happen to know in old days people crossed the borders all of the time at places other than the official crossings. These were people with jobs awaiting them from farmers that were known to them. They were not going to the places around Jo'Burg to stay.
The american border is guarded and people make it across all of the time. I do believe if we really wanted to our border could be sealed, but a lot of people like to hire the illegal hispanic workers that work hard and cheap. The same thinking likely prevailed on farms in south africa. I do not know what it is like now. In the old days a non-south african black crosses that border legally or illegally and works for a year or so, he returns home and pays the lobollo to the parents and buys a wife. Stays there awhile, long enough to build a caniso hut and he and the new wife plant some crops and he gets her pregnant. He goes to south africa works a while longer and buys his second wife. About then he might retire with his women unless he wants to go back and save to buy a pickup truck or enough for a tractor. I remember once talking to a fellow that was looking for a woman in the apartment complex where I was. He had some sacks of maize and other things that her man had sent for her from south africa. He found she had gone off with someone else. He told me when he returned to south africa he would tell the man that he could not find his woman and not that she could not wait and went off with someone else.

Wonder why these free blacks from other countries would want to come work for these hatefull Boer scum? If you read my posts , you will notice that each tribe would have governed themselves in there own state. With an white governing body to help and see that they dont starve like they are doing at the moment.
When HF Verwoerd were killed, black people cried in the streets. Because he looked after everybody, even though he believed in apartheid. At one stage a US$ costs SA sents, that is how well it went here for everybody. What has democracy given to SA,name one good thing? I can tell you what Mandela did, he made abortion, gambeling and porn legal in the first couple of months being president. I can also tell you about all the woman and children killed from his commands on farm roads and wimpy resturants.

But you know what, I am not gonna rant any further, I am a Boer Warrior, like my ancestors, and am proud of what they did for me and my kind. You can believe the liberal shit you want, no hair of my ass.
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[PRDubi]

Next door neighbor in Los Angeles is a Rhodesian vet and his family fled in the early 80's....and he knew it was going to get bad.

Works as a machinist and retired now living in Montana.

[Gerald Bailey]

HI Boetman.

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Howsit Clan

I have been racking my brain to start a business in SA, but are coming up a bit blank. I have read about quite a few business men on the forum, who have spoken about the advantages of dealing in/with third world countries and how well they are doing. I dont want to steal anybodies sunshine, but would like some pointers from you guys. I know a couple of you have visited our 'Fair' Kingdom, and would like an outsiders view of what you think might be worthwhile to invest time and effort in.
I am pretty sure there has to be a niche market that has not been developed, cause I believe nothing in life is undoable or impossible.
What do you guys want when you come here?(exept steak and lions):sniper:

I would love to train people in Suarez Courses, but seems the sheeple attitude is very prevelant in our society. I am not aware of anybody that can actualy do training fulltime and make a living only from it. You would think in our crime ridden country it would be a major business.

Any input would be appreciated, only a dumb person thinks he knows everything.

[barnetmill]

As usual, hitting the nail on the head. But I dont want to get to involved with that comment, kinda not the place and time. Though I sometimes wonder what would have happened if the Boers at Blood River decided to follow on there victory by chasing there enemy into the sea? Lock stock and barrel. Maybe you or wolverine would like to start a thread to review for those of us that forget how things were then. I am sure you know of the memorial to a another group of voertrekkers. This group had been connected to another that IIRC disappeared without a trace about the time of Blood River. When I saw the memorial (The Louis Tregardt Memorial in Maputo.) in the 1970's it was in good shape but apparently many Afrikaner heritage monuments are in need of repair and an effort is being made to restore and keep them up (http://www.archivalplatform.org/registry/entry/voortrekker_monument_and_heritage_foundation_voort rekkermonument_en_erfenis/ )
I did a little further research and this is about the group that disappeared.


Upon reaching the Strydpoortberg in the current Limpopo Province (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpopo_Province), Tregardt and Van Rensburg parted ways, after Tregardt argued that Van Rensburg was expending his ammunition excessively in his pursuit of ivory. Van Rensburg would not be seen again; he and his trek of forty-nine persons were killed in June 1836 by a troop of Soshangane (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soshangane) at a ford in Limpopo River (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limpopo_River), after a night-long assault https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Tregardt They were likely in neighboring Gaza province of what is today Mozambique when they perished at the hands of the Changans.