Gun friendly Countries?

[Z2k]

Do you guys know of any other gun friendly countries besides the U.S.? Well you could actually say the U.S. is gun tolerant but do you guys know of any?

[Saladin]

I've researched this fairly hard and concluded that as far as ability to have, purchase and use (legally) there is nowhere even comparable.

New Zealand, from what I've read, is the only one even close to reasonable enough for someone who likes guns as much as most of us do to consider.

As always, YMMV.

And if you live there you need a great taste for mutton.
One the other hand lanolin (for case lube) is probably pretty inexpensive.

[Francisp]

I've researched this fairly hard and concluded that as far as ability to have, purchase and use (legally) there is nowhere even comparable.

New Zealand, from what I've read, is the only one even close to reasonable enough for someone who likes guns as much as most of us do to consider.

As always, YMMV.

Right,

However they have been sold up the river with the UN Treaty on small arms. Secondly, forget having an easy time with handguns. They are very friendly on long guns but handgun licenses require several references, mandatory gun club review etc You can only shoot under supervision of rangemaster (direct supervision) at a pistol club.

You also can't use a firearm for self defense.

This will explain everything you want to know about NZ gun laws and self defense laws

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CpXcStTQRY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zft2S1CG1_w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olq_It7m2Aw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC4wDMzoqOk


The fact is no place is going to be as good as the USA on guns.

[Gabriel Suarez]

Anywhere in the world...if you have money. Places where poor people and those opposed to corruption can own and carry? Only in the USA.

[Winchester67]

Ha. Gabe's reply should be on billboards all over the land....

[Benjamin Liu]

The Philippines is pretty good, and the president is not a commie metrosexual with a god complex like the US president.


There are more restrictions on ownership and carry than a free state like Arizona but much less than a commie state like Illinois.


I'll have to talk to my dad when I'm there (he lives there) to see what the specifics are, but IIRC you can own some firearms illegal in the US such as the Glock 18 or other post-1986 automatics. I know new guns tend to cost a lot more than in the US. There are some weird carry rules like a ban on carrying during election times, but then again, the Illinois you can't carry at all.

[Gabriel Suarez]

As I recall, carry in Czech Republic and Slovakia is quite easy. It was funny...we were walking down the street with our host, and he points across the street not 20 meters from us.

"See that guy...he's the president".

"President of what?", I ask.

"President of the country", he says.

I was shocked that the streets were not cordoned off, and that looking like a shaven headed cossak I was not already in some sniper's scope. I was carrying a couple of big knives and I know our host had a couple of guns on his person, plus we had some VZ-61 Skorpions in the rucksack.

There is no more free country or people, than one in whom the memory of communism is recent.

[Shoot Bricks]

I hear Yemen is pretty gun friendly.

[Francisp]

I hear Yemen is pretty gun friendly.

now thats a place I'd love to live!.....sarcasm

[Fulanito]

As I have said many times before on this board in many discussions.... Most who don't travel the world and live years in odd places don't realize that the USA is a pretty damn great place to live, even with her warts and scars. Taxes..I hate them, but as far as first world nations it is pretty good. Guns? I hate that we are getting more restrictive, but we are still on top as far as actual good, reasonably safe, diverse places to live that allow you to buy and carry what you want.

My advice: Get over the "Grass is always greener" syndrome. Most of you are already in the best place and don't even know it.

There is a multi- million man line to get into the US for a reason. Most who have spent the majority of their lives in the US don't know how good they have it. Many who have spent the majority of their lives overseas know exactly why the US is such a great place to be. Ain't no line to get into Honduras, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Surinam, Guyana, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Mexico, any damn where in Africa etc... But the privilege to be in the ever growing line to get out of those crap holes is something people pay for and kill for. If you are in the US, enjoy it. Many would and have traded everything to be in your shoes. This is why I came back to the US. No, it is not like it used to be, but things never are. Have you ever heard the phrase "You can never go home"? Things change, always have and always will...so adapt and move on. Oh yeah, there are 50 damn states, pick one. Mountains, beach, plains, liberal, conservative, expensive, cheap we have it all in the US.

Just my thoughts after having to spend a career and nearly 20 years outside of the US.

[Base Bleed]

As I have said many times before on this board in many discussions.... Most who don't travel the world and live years in odd places don't realize that the USA is a pretty damn great place to live, even with her warts and scars. Taxes..I hate them, but as far as first world nations it is pretty good. Guns? I hate that we are getting more restrictive, but we are still on top as far as actual good, reasonably safe, diverse places to live that allow you to buy and carry what you want.

My advice: Get over the "Grass is always greener" syndrome. Most of you are already in the best place and don't even know it.

There is a multi-man line to get into the US for a reason. Most who have spent the majority of their live in the US don't know what....many who have spent the majority of their lives overseas know exactly why. Ain't no line to get into Honduras, Costa Rica, Venezuela, Surinam, Guyana, Nicaragua, Guatemala, Mexico etc... But the privilege to be in the ever growing line to get out is something people pay for and kill for. If you are in the US, enjoy it. Many would and have traded everything to be in your shoes. This is why I came back to the US. No, it is not like it used to be, but things never are. Have you ever heard the phrase "You can never go home"? Things change, always have and always will...so adapt and move on. Oh yeah, there are 50 damn states, pick one. Mountains, beach, liberal, conservative, expensive, cheap we have it all int he US.

Just my thoughts after having to spend a career and nearly 20 years outside of the US.

Thank you. Great post. Validates what I've heard other expats say.

God & Tribe

[KalashMan]

The Philippines is pretty good,


According to friend who is retiring there, as a non-citizen, he is allowed to USE, but not OWN any firearms. They are all going to be owned by his wife.


Last week's episode of "Doomsday Preppers" had a family moving to Costa Rica.

With some paperwork, he can bring his M4 clone as well as some other modern/defensive guns.

More than I can say for NY...

Mario

[LawDog]

As I recall, carry in Czech Republic and Slovakia is quite easy.I did a bit of research into both countries' gun laws a few years ago, while looking for possible escape hatches. Given my lack of the language, I was still left with more questions than answers. But one thing that I figured out quickly is that both countries draw virtually no distinction between owning and carrying. If they will allow you to possess a firearm, they will allow you to carry it. In the Czech republic, it appeared that you could get a permit after five years or so of living there on their version of a "green card." And that was without bribes. The time period might shrink with the appropriately well-placed incentives.

[Francisp]

According to friend who is retiring there, as a non-citizen, he is allowed to USE, but not OWN any firearms. They are all going to be owned by his wife.


Last week's episode of "Doomsday Preppers" had a family moving to Costa Rica.

With some paperwork, he can bring his M4 clone as well as some other modern/defensive guns.

More than I can say for NY...

Mario

And how solid is that?

Marcos confiscated all firearms under penalty of death the day he became President.

Fulanito, my cousin's husband is a White South African. Gained US Citizenship by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and is now in Florida in a Profession at Arms. He says exactly what you say. He wouldn't trade what he has here for any of the other countries he's lived in including Costa Rica and Panama.

[Fulanito]

According to friend who is retiring there, as a non-citizen, he is allowed to USE, but not OWN any firearms. They are all going to be owned by his wife.


Last week's episode of "Doomsday Preppers" had a family moving to Costa Rica.

With some paperwork, he can bring his M4 clone as well as some other modern/defensive guns.

More than I can say for NY...

Mario

I just returned from 7 years in Costa Rica...so take this for what its worth. I headed a High Risk Security consulting firm. 150% tax on all weapons and it is getting more and more restrictive everyday. He cant have a weapon in his name until he is a resident...about 2 or 3 years. This is soon to change from resident to citizen. Most never become citizens as it is a long process of about 4-5 years, a couple of lawyers, a marriage to a Tica, children and or a VERY significant monetary investment. Oh yeah, no banking privacy there since 2010 so why bother? All banks are bound to turn over any and all requested info on all US citizens when even asked. No, the US Embassy is NOT your friend...not your safety float at sea.

If I remember correctly, I paid $90 for 25 rounds of Cor-Bon 9mm 115 grain and had to wait 45 days for it. You can bring things in and end up paying higher than that just to bribe the customs guys to release your toys...after a few cool parts go missing. Hence, easier to simply buy there, even at 150% tax. However the customs guys will be happy to allow you to bring things in and "liberate" them from the port because then they will know who has what and which home to rob....so that will work out real well. It is a Social Democracy with a flagrant lefty in charge named Laura Chinchilla. She just got back from Hugo Chavez's death state precession....paying her respects. There is no Army and hence, no national security. the border demarkation is only a suggestion. The Nicaraguans to the north take land and control rio San Juan when ever they want and the Ticos can do no more than file a complaint with the OAS. They have a failed justice system with known Sinaloa Cartel and FARC involvement, prison riots and escapes regularly. And police who make between $400 to $900, no gas for patrol cars, no rounds to qualify with and no batteries for their radios in rural parts, they simply stay in the station and pray nothing happens. For these reasons and many more, I have always wondered why folks relocate there expecting more freedom / liberty than they have in the US. I guess it is just ignorance. Believe me when I say ...the "Switzerland of the Americas" up and left over 20 years ago.

Oh yeah, some more fun facts, corruption is far more than the average US Cit can imagine, cars are sold with a 70% tax (nice!!!) and...SPEAK SPANISH well before you get there. If you don't you are on a fools errand and get what you deserve.

If someone really wants to go sub-terrainian, I would recommend Honduras. That is an entirely different conversation.

[Fulanito]

And how solid is that?

Marcos confiscated all firearms under penalty of death the day he became President.

Fulanito, my cousin's husband is a White South African. Gained US Citizenship by fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan and is now in Florida in a Profession at Arms. He says exactly what you say. He wouldn't trade what he has here for any of the other countries he's lived in including Costa Rica and Panama.

I have worked / lived in 9 crumbling countries and I have had to relocate more families than I care to remember from lesser nations to safer places. It is never pretty, some have had their companies nationalized, lost all investments, their homes, had children locked up and interrogated. And they always want to go to the US, seek asylum in the US.

The overall comfort, convenience, safety, good medicine, liberty of the US is oft times only truly recognized and appreciated by folks who cant / don't get the privilege to hang their hats in the states. When friends of mine have asked about living overseas, I usually tell them to take a balanced look at not only cost of living but what they get for that cost of living. There are cheaper places to live....and you will live cheaper...not safer. Not with the same health care opportunities, certainly not with the same job ops and educational ops for themselves and their kids, not with a military that respects justice and tries to do the right thing...made up of basically honorable people.

Funny, I worked with a South African security company in Afghanistan and two of their top guys wanted me to help them get to the US on contracts...or any damn where but South Af, for that mater.

[Benjamin Liu]

Marcos confiscated all firearms under penalty of death the day he became President.

Only those that were registered. I know people who have guns they had before the Marcos ban.

This is also the reason the commies in the USA want registration and to "close the gunshow loophole" and to ban private sales.

I'd be more concerned about confiscation in the USA than the RP with all the idiots voting for Dear Leader and buying into all the commie propaganda in increasing numbers.

[Benjamin Liu]

According to friend who is retiring there, as a non-citizen, he is allowed to USE, but not OWN any firearms. They are all going to be owned by his wife.

I'm a dual citizen so that won't be a problem if I move.

If I do move there for a while it wouldn't be due to guns though.

[Base Bleed]

If someone really wants to go sub-terrainian, I would recommend Honduras. That is an entirely different conversation.


Thank you for the unvarnished intel. When you get time, I'd like to hear your views on Honduras.









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[Fulanito]

Thank you for the unvarnished intel. When you get time, I'd like to hear your views on Honduras.

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No problem. Ill post a little something on Honduras to get the ball rolling.

[Base Bleed]

Thanks. We have a large Honduran population here. Everyone seems pretty chilled, hardworking, and intent on prospering.


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[Fulanito]

Thanks. We have a large Honduran population here. Everyone seems pretty chilled, hardworking, and intent on prospering.


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I have a great space in my heart for the Honduran people. Some of the very, VERY best I have run across. Hard working, inventive, conservative military....all good. I was close to starting a security firm there at one time. Also some real estate deals. Money to be made, if done right, you have the resources and good exfill plan.

[Francisp]

Only those that were registered. I know people who have guns they had before the Marcos ban.

This is also the reason the commies in the USA want registration and to "close the gunshow loophole" and to ban private sales.

I'd be more concerned about confiscation in the USA than the RP with all the idiots voting for Dear Leader and buying into all the commie propaganda in increasing numbers.

I have no arguments about that. Look what they did in my native NYC. Demanded long gun registration in 1968 and now have come for most long guns. Your five round manual operation firearms are all that are left.

[Francisp]

Thank you for the unvarnished intel. When you get time, I'd like to hear your views on Honduras.









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I teach Honduran students right now. They would do anything not to go back. LaSaba is a war zone.

[Fulanito]

I teach Honduran students right now. They would do anything not to go back. LaSaba is a war zone.

Yep, La Ceiba is pretty damn Cowboy and Indian...Cops and Robbers. Actually more like Robbers and Indians because cowboys and cops are scarce. The Mara Salvatrucha and Mara 18 are running the show now. Actually have been for 15 years.