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02-27-2013, 08:18 AM
As an entrepreneur with 25 year of commercial Real estate experience, I am wondering a viability of an industrial park that is designed specifically for the firearms industry. With some, having to relocate for political reasons, I see this as an opportunity.

So, what part of the nation would be politically the friendliest and where people would want to move too.

And what amenities should the park have such as a top of the line firearm testing range.

I am personally biased to the Alabama gulf coast. It's gun friendly, new major steel mill. Major Port. Family friendly. Great hunting and fresh and salt water fishing. You also have beautiful beaches with some of most gorgeous southern belles. But most important, I've got lots of land that butts up to the TK steel mill.

What do y'all think?

02-27-2013, 08:22 AM
First thing to do is to pick a gun friendly state with no income tax. After that, you'd have to work with local authorities to see if they will create an "economic zone" and maybe forego property or sales taxes for a period of time.

You'll need the support of the local business and political community if you want to attract any big names.


02-27-2013, 08:52 AM
as Chris Rea so eloquently sings "Texas"

02-27-2013, 09:07 AM
Alabama is good about incentives. They are passing a measures now to help Airbus as they move into the area.

Alabama does have an income tax, but property tax and cost of living offsets that.

I can work in Don R, and Dr. M's AO. No income tax with a lot of the same amenities, but sometimes I worry about the the influence of the liberals on south Florida on the state's politics.

A lot of states have some good stuff to offer. Its cheaper, easier, to operate in my AO and already have the needed political and business relationship.

I've developed retail in Southern California, Vegas, and Phoenix, and with each location I had to learn different ways of dealing with the appropriate people involved.

02-27-2013, 09:39 AM
Up here in the Flathead Valley of Montana there are several manufacturers collaborating and talks of a firearms industrial park and community coming together south of Kalispell by the airport. We have a skilled and willing labor force and well it's Montana.... :)
I know TX is pretty gun friendly as well.

02-27-2013, 10:04 AM
So, what part of the nation would be politically the friendliest and where people would want to move too.

And what amenities should the park have such as a top of the line firearm testing range.

Personally, I wouldn't try to create it from scratch. Too much in up-front development costs and it would take years to recruit the necessary tertiary and support businesses to gather around you.

For larger manufacturers and suppliers especially, it will be logistics and locally available support services, raw materials, sub contractors, etc. that will be far more critical in the decision on where to relocate. Mate that with a supportive political climate and then you'll really have something to sell.

I'd just build a themed industrial park with a few specialized amenities (like firing ranges) real close to an existing Global Logistics Hub like the Alliance Airport near Fort Worth, Texas.

Centrally located in the United States, the 17,000-acre AllianceTexas development is anchored by the Alliance Global Logistics Hub, one of the world’s premier inland ports. The Alliance Global Logistics Hub offers strategic multi-modal transportation access, including:

BNSF Railway’s Alliance Intermodal Facility

Two Class I rail lines (BNSF and UP)

Fort Worth Alliance Airport - the world’s first 100% industrial airport

Interstate Highway 35W from Mexico to Canada, Texas Highways 114 and 170, and the

FedEx Southwest Regional Sort Hub

In addition to the established transportation infrastructure at the Alliance Global Logistics Hub, there are significant economic benefits and supply-chain services available, including:

Foreign-Trade Zone (FTZ) #196

User-friendly FTZ services

Triple Freeport Inventory Tax Exemption

Air cargo ground handling and aviation services

Existing rail-served facilities

Third-party logistics

Workforce recruitment and retention services

Don't forget to build (spec) a few similarly themed restaurants nearby, like "The Infideli".:tongue:

If you happen to go this route please contact me. I'd love to help you bring this type of operation to fruition.

All the best,

02-27-2013, 10:35 AM
Jacksonville Florida

02-27-2013, 11:46 AM
Among the big issues to consider: tax (this goes way beyond personal income tax), regulation, liability (this is, after all, an industry that worries a lot about getting sued), transportation, and customer base.

Large scale manufacturing isn't something that I necessarily see benefiting from a business park environment. I imagine that what would work is something closer to retail. Having a gun store, gunsmith, and shooting range all in one place makes a lot of sense. But those businesses already seem to congregate together. Most shops (well, many shops) have an in-house gunsmith. Most shooting ranges at least sell ammo. Some sell guns. As a customer, I can envision using all of those services. But I see no benefit to Beretta having a manufacturing facility in the next building over. It isn't like I'll be able to just walk in and pick my gun from the racks.

For a retail park, I would start with the range. Then add a good gunshop, gunsmith, and instruction classroom. That's all I can ever see wanting.

If you are looking to target manufacturers, I'm not qualified to comment. I just don't know what their needs are. My impression, though, is that they are so focused on hiding every shred of knowledge from their competitors that they would not want to be near anyone else. I would love to see collaboration and technological growth in the firearms industry. But I'm not sure the industry will allow it.

02-27-2013, 12:27 PM
Probably better to have them spread out. One state changing politically (as in becoming anti gun) could cause a lot of problems if they were centrally located. No reason to make it easy for the Feds.

02-27-2013, 12:28 PM
What Shunt said.

This side of the metroplex is almost purpose built for this purpose. Everything is already here waiting for somebody to pick it up and run with it.

John Chambers
02-27-2013, 12:55 PM
Coastal locations have the weather to worry about on a regular basis. DFW area makes good sense.

02-28-2013, 02:49 PM
You might want to look into what has been done around Sturgis, SD. They have a firearms-themed industrial park that is like Disneyland for daddy.

02-28-2013, 04:40 PM
Coastal locations have the weather to worry about on a regular basis. DFW area makes good sense.Is that the office park where Dakota Arms is at?

02-28-2013, 06:08 PM
Jacksonville Florida

I Concur........ No personal income tax, Jacksonville is a port city with great access to both north/south interstate highways, I-95/I-75 and east/west with I-10.

02-28-2013, 09:15 PM
The process is to put together packages for several sites. Most of the info can be gathered from chambers of commerce.

Present these to a major manufacture who is looking to relocate. Once they are locked down as an anchor tenant/buyer. Then I can chase the smaller manufacturers.

The infrastructure is hopefully covered by the sale to the major manufacturer and the profits will come with the smaller manufacturers.

Locations now looking at in Texas, Alabama and Florida

02-28-2013, 09:41 PM
Good luck

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