Best state to move to

[borednva]

hey guys trying to get my gf to move outta cali and she said to do some research to convince her. Figured I could get some help here. What states do you guys recommend? Not just based on laws but that's important too. I mean freedom wise, taxes, economic outlook for the future, good weather etc. If you guys could gimme some advice and pointers in the right direction I'd really appreciate it.

[JPourciau]

If I could move tomorrow, I would go home to TN, or TX would be a close second.

[foxytwo]

Take a look at Georgia, but stay away from Atlanta. Small towns are the way to go.

[JoeB40]

Sure like it here in Utah. Utah gun laws are in our favor, and we have resident SI instructor and training group. Economy is okay right now, better than a lot of places. Lots of recreational opportunities; skiing, redrock deserts, hunting, fishing, four-wheeling, etc. Pro-sports, downtown night life, and we even have a Cabelas...

[tpevehouse]

I have a feeling Texas will not be the best choice in a few years time. The liberal sects in the south and in Austin are getting bigger. For then long term i'm looking at AZ or Louisiana.

[Francisp]

I have a feeling Texas will not be the best choice in a few years time. The liberal sects in the south and in Austin are getting bigger. For then long term i'm looking at AZ or Louisiana.

That is outright scary.

[AlwaysVigilant]

I have these on my list:

Wyoming (economics are tricky here, not a lot going on outside of fossil fuels and land management)
Arizona (water is a concern, I'm a boat guy)
Montana (because its awesome and they love guns. Topographically similar to Kali, sans desert, and worse weather.)

I haven't looked at the South East, mostly because I don't like the ball-sweat-inducing-humidity, but you never know.

[Bob Mayne]

I have a feeling Texas will not be the best choice in a few years time. The liberal sects in the south and in Austin are getting bigger. For then long term i'm looking at AZ or Louisiana.

I respectfully disagree. The conservative freedom loving people here in Texas far outnumber the liberals. Here's some benefits of TX for the OP to think about.

1. No state income tax (that's a big deal.)
2. Decent weather except for 3 months per year.
3. We love our freedom and our guns and are telling the Federal Government to shove their gun control up their a***
4. VERY business friendly, with lower regulations than most states.
5. Our economy compared to the other 49 states is one of the top 2 or 3!
6. Plenty of decent jobs in TX if you want to work hard.
7. Diversity, you can find nearly every culture here.
8. Lot's of churches to choose from.
9. Lots of good hunting and fishing and because of the weather, our hunting and fishing seasons are longer than most states.
10.Lots of good SI trainers in TX! :tongue:

http://www.thetexaseconomy.org/economic-outlook/

[cmh03]

This is a question the wife & I have been mulling over for months now. We've been in Central, NC for over 5 years, but we're ready for something different.

Its been alot of fun, mostly gun friendly (chapel hill is as liberal as a place gets though), good music venues, good food. Plenty of opportunity around here for business minded folks...oh & plenty of top quality beer. Biggest downfall imo is ticks....sucks to do anything outside when they abound.

We were looking at Colorado, but its off the radar now of course. Arizona & Texas are the top choices atm, wife would love to move to Austin.

[DogDoc]

Have a look at Idaho.

Doc

[Winchester67]

Missouri is not too bad...esp if we could annex Kansas City and St. Louis. I complain about the snowfall, but would miss it if I was further South. Taxes are not bad, standard of living is good, and the people by and large are ok.

[TrojanSkyCop1]

Speaking myself as a former political prisoner in the PRK, I recommend either AZ or TX.

[Sammy]

If Oklahoma follows through on the removal of state income taxes it becomes a good contender. All counties are red, very conservative culture. Weather can be pretty horrible though.

Looks like work may transfer me to Alaska soon if I can convince my wife. I imagine if I move there I will never move back.

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[Stoic]

Lots of good places to look at...I'm a fan of the intermountain west, myself.

ID, UT, MT, WY, the Dakotas...lots of options.

I've always thought WY would be a good choice. Beautiful on the western side, and zero income and corporate taxes.

[jcart]

Have a look at Idaho.

Doc
Now ya done it.
Where I am headed when the house sells.

[sledge hammer]

Lots of good places to look at...I'm a fan of the intermountain west, myself.

ID, UT, MT, WY, the Dakotas...lots of options.

I've always thought WY would be a good choice. Beautiful on the western side, and zero income and corporate taxes.

This!

I'm not personally too big on the Dakotas but they're a better option for sure than many states. Especially this growing cesspool of Colorado that many of us find ourselves in now.

If one is really interested in this subject look into the book Strategic Relocation by Joel Skoussen. He does get into the occasional conspiracy comments here and there that might turn some off but it's his hard analysis of the various states that's a real value. He's also big into the Intermountain West.

[michael]

Tennessee.

I had seriously considered moving for a job opportunity, but have decided against it. There is no where else that gives me the freedom I enjoy here. Republicans in charge of the House and Senate, and a republican Governor. Strong supporter of state's rights and staunchly against gun control. In fact, there are more bills in the works to strengthen our stance against the gun grabbers after Sandy Hook. No state income tax, very business friendly, four true seasons, economy and housing market never took the huge hit that many other states had. Our Governor is a businessman, and is actively working to recruit more business to the state, and I have no doubt he will be...and already has been, successful.

[tpevehouse]

I respectfully disagree. The conservative freedom loving people here in Texas far outnumber the liberals. Here's some benefits of TX for the OP to think about.

1. No state income tax (that's a big deal.)
2. Decent weather except for 3 months per year.
3. We love our freedom and our guns and are telling the Federal Government to shove their gun control up their a***
4. VERY business friendly, with lower regulations than most states.
5. Our economy compared to the other 49 states is one of the top 2 or 3!
6. Plenty of decent jobs in TX if you want to work hard.
7. Diversity, you can find nearly every culture here.
8. Lot's of churches to choose from.
9. Lots of good hunting and fishing and because of the weather, our hunting and fishing seasons are longer than most states.
10.Lots of good SI trainers in TX! :tongue:

http://www.thetexaseconomy.org/economic-outlook/

You're right about our economy being in amazing shape. I think the last time I checked it was in the top 30 in regard to the largest gross incomes in the world. I was talking about liberal philosophy and not about the economy, however. Down south near Galveston has a heavy democrat sector as well as Houston, Austin, Elpaso, and Eagle Pass. Unfortunately those parts of our state are growing insanely fast last I checked and if their political views stay as they are then we could encounter more competition from the left in the legislator. Given their sheer populations they could be powerhouse areas like what we saw in the last election.

Also, when I said a few years I actually meant 10 or 20 lol.

[LawDog]

Netpackrat and I have both posted good info about Alaska. You can do a search on 'Alaska' and limit it to either his posts or mine, and you'll find some good material.

I had the same thought as Doc Meade: coming from Cali, how could anything not be an improvement? I suppose you could move to New York. But if you put a map on the wall and tossed a dart while blindfolded, you'd almost certainly still be moving someplace better.

Until a couple of weeks ago, Colorado was high on my list of possible relocation points. They just fell about twenty spots, though.

[JeffC]

I would seriously consider AZ. Very gun friendly Gov and Legislature. We do have a state income tax but we also have constitutional carry. Economy slowly but surely recovering and plenty of geographic differences to suit individual preferences.

-jeff

[Stoic]

Netpackrat and I have both posted good info about Alaska. You can do a search on 'Alaska' and limit it to either his posts or mine, and you'll find some good material.

Ahhh, yes...the last frontier.

One day...perhaps one day...

[bmp_sbi]

Take a look at Georgia, but stay away from Atlanta. Small towns are the way to go.

GA has state income tax...TN dont.

[borednva]

Frankly my two choices that i looked at so far were Montana and Texas. She not excite bout either of those cause she doesn't wanna live in the desert ( can't really blame her) and the winter in Montana is too extreme in her opinion. She suggested Oregon so she could still be fairly closer to her family in Northern Cali but I don't know bout oregon. My primary concerns are personal freedom, decent economy that's stable and/or on the upswing, some mountains (can't handle nothing but flatlands), and some snow and weather occasionally.

[DCScott]

I would seriously consider AZ. Very gun friendly Gov and Legislature. We do have a state income tax but we also have constitutional carry. Economy slowly but surely recovering and plenty of geographic differences to suit individual preferences.

-jeff

Jeff-

If I retire & move from NY to AZ would the Tucson Mafia adopt me?

[Bob Mayne]

Frankly my two choices that i looked at so far were Montana and Texas. She not excite bout either of those cause she doesn't wanna live in the desert

Desert? Are you talking about Texas? No one lives in the desert lands of Texas. No desert in DFW, Austin, San Antonio, Houston, etc.

[BigSky2111]

Frankly my two choices that i looked at so far were Montana and Texas. She not excite bout either of those cause she doesn't wanna live in the desert ( can't really blame her) and the winter in Montana is too extreme in her opinion. She suggested Oregon so she could still be fairly closer to her family in Northern Cali but I don't know bout oregon. My primary concerns are personal freedom, decent economy that's stable and/or on the upswing, some mountains (can't handle nothing but flatlands), and some snow and weather occasionally.

Take her to Glacier National Park and I bet you can change her mind.

[Base Bleed]

Take her to Glacier National Park and I bet you can change her mind.

NOT FAIR!!

I'm trying to pretend that I never visited so that I can not cut my wrists waiting to move there!

No place in the US is remotely as amazing as Glacier.

Kalispell is still strong on the list of very few final destinations.

I know what the Near Death crowd feels like when they are told they have to return to earth to finish their assignment. :(

I think that when people go through the tunnel to the bright, white light, they are merely at the top of Whitefish Mountain waiting to cut first tracks.
28881

Not to mention Christ is already there blessing the boards and skis of the Faithful.
28882
Proof that this is where good people go when they die;)

[Liberty or Death]

Planning to move out of this faggot assed communist state as well. Seems like God is trying to tell me something. A LOT of somethings. But, in the meantime, some subversion and political warfare in the form of hollowing out the Bolshevik's power is in order.

Seems like the fags and ghetto blacks hate one another. If someone were to foment further Balkanization among these two protected classes within the Left's barricade, it might be a good thing. Create disorder among the Enemy's ranks.

[Jmack]

GA has state income tax...TN dont.
I moved to small town Georgia from Orlando about 8 years ago... It sucks poverty stricken and local politics/good ol boys attempt to prevent "outsiders" from succeeding. Despite all that I run a successful small business and met my wonderful wife. I'm considering TX or back to FL.

[Chuck Brick]

Desert? Are you talking about Texas? No one lives in the desert lands of Texas. No desert in DFW, Austin, San Antonio, Houston, etc.

No kidding! East Texas is prime farmland and lumber forests; SE Tx is Big Thicket, rice farms, and even some swamps; North Texas is wheat; West Texas gets to be more arid, mostly ranches; Central Texas is cotton, corn, sorghum, pecan orchards; we have shipping ports on the Gulf Coast, as well as commercial shrimping/fishing; down in the Valley are citrus, pineapple, watermelon,.....
And don't forget the oil - both wells and refineries - and bauxite mining, coal, natural gas,....
And this doesn't even scratch the surface.
The desert is where some of us go camping in the winter, or own hunting leases, etc. Or, I guess, to be alone.

Stay safe,

Chuck Brick.

[tpevehouse]

No one is mentioning the hill country in Texas, come on. That's my favorite, imo. The Lost Maples and Garner state parks are where it is at. Although it is kind of in the middle of no where, but that is a good thing.

[LawDog]

I moved to small town Georgia from Orlando about 8 years ago... It sucks poverty stricken and local politics/good ol boys attempt to prevent "outsiders" from succeeding. Despite all that I run a successful small business and met my wonderful wife. I'm considering TX or back to FL.Georgia is covered with good ol' boy networks. I grew up down there and got my BA from UGA, so I've got enough pedigree to return if I ever wanted to. But I don't think I'll ever want to. And Georgians will quickly point out to you that Orlando ain't southern. You're just a geographically displaced yankee.

I grew up with a boy whose parents had moved down from Michigan. They'd been in Georgia for several years when he was born. But he was still a yankee. One day, at Church, he was complaining because someone had referred to him as such. He pointed out that he had been born in Georgia. He grew up in Georgia. He had lived his whole life in Georgia. Why was he still a yankee? Luck would have it that Mr. Thames, an old dairy farmer of few words, was standing right behind us and heard the whole thing. Mr. Thames chimed in with this: "Son, just because the cat has kittens in the oven, that don't make 'em biscuits."

If you're not from there, you'll just never be one of them. You'll die an outsider.

[Barker]

As my daddy would say, "it's all about raising." My wife was born in Ohio, but her parents are from Hollowrock and Silerton, TN. She is as southern as I am though from time to time her accent gives her birth place away even after 33 years of being here in W TN. Not to be off task - another vote fot TN.

[AlwaysVigilant]

I forgot about Indiana. No real scenery to speak of outside of Brown County, but it is a conservative state for sure...plus my parents retired there. Indianapolis is a great big city.

[Stoic]

If you're not from there, you'll just never be one of them. You'll die an outsider.

Having some experience with Georgia, being an outsider is not necessarily a bad thing. There are some places you don't want to fit in.

[Netpackrat]

If you're not from there, you'll just never be one of them. You'll die an outsider.

There's a lot of that in Alaska, believe it or not, even with as new as most of our population is to the state (or maybe because of it). My mother's family goes back to the 1920s here, but because my parents moved out of state after they were married, and I was born during the few years they lived Outside before they came home, to some people I will never be Alaskan because I don't have a "574" SSN. At least I don't have to deal with that in the town where I grew up, which is the "neighboring" town to where my mom was from. I'm still a local there, as far as I can tell.

[7 Mary 3]

If Florida had Open Carry and Mountains............. no one could afford to live here.

Thank God Tallahassee is at the other end of Florida then Miami Dade..........

Im in MD and things are going quickly down hill. Soon we'll have Kali gun control without any of the redeeming nice weather that may make such things tolerable on a certain level out there.

The wife has been resistant for a very long time to move away from family but has recently shown some movement....the prospect of being criminalized brought her around I think. That would can my career along with all the other problems it would bring.

Tampa is wiggling its way up my list. Im sick of cold weather. I dont care for the South FLA scene other than to visit and I dont want to be in the middle of the state baking 5 months a year. Ive been to Tampa a few times and it seems more like a real city rather than most other place in FLA i.e. not completely tourist driven.

Both of us are college educated folks and I need to be near some mid to larger size city to maintain my employment. I may be dragging along my own biz when the time comes. It would be service based and Id need at least a good size garage to run it out of and no stupid HOA or local zoning that would give me grief for having my truck parked there.

Right now Im trying to formulate a 3-4 year exit plan and Im interested in hearing more boots on the ground info on Tampa. I dont think I want to be on the St Pete side of town. I remember you mentioned "New Tampa" in another post and it peaked my interest. Houses in that area fall into our $ range but it looks like I will loose my acreage that we enjoy here in MD. Our kids are just starting school so high quality schools are paramount.

TIA